Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:49 pm  

Noel Cleal wrote:

You doubt that many players outside of St Helens would want to play for a KC coached side.

This is a shocking comment. You seem to be implying that because he is St.Helens through and through, only local lads would want to play for him. That's ridiculous.

If this was the case, how did Shaun Wane get Clubb, Sarginson, Bateman, etc to sign for Wigan?

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:57 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

This is a shocking comment. You seem to be implying that because he is St.Helens through and through, only local lads would want to play for him. That's ridiculous.

If this was the case, how did Shaun Wane get Clubb, Sarginson, Bateman, etc to sign for Wigan?

Whilst I think the point is poorly worded, he might have a point. Not so much getting players on board, but does KC have the contacts (especially in Aus) to stay ahead of the game, like Brown did with Walsh and Masoe for example?

This is my only reservation on the appointment...

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:58 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

This is a shocking comment. You seem to be implying that because he is St.Helens through and through, only local lads would want to play for him. That's ridiculous.

If this was the case, how did Shaun Wane get Clubb, Sarginson, Bateman, etc to sign for Wigan?

I believe he's referring to players from the NRL. It is a perfectly valid point IMO. Some coaches will have played or coached in both competitions, giving them access to people they have worked with previously. For example Nathan Brown would have been able to pick up the phone to a number of coaches and players he'd worked with in the past from the NRL and ask about availability of players. It will be more difficult for KC, as he won't have the same network of contacts, having never played in the NRL or coached anywhere.

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:12 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Indeed he will. Well, apart from the Chief who keeps saying he's not happy with this.

Just hope the assistants are well thought out and that there is access to some form of consultant should KC need some guidance along the way. I would have liked to have seen him out with one of the 4N squads learning the ropes, potentially Aus or NZ.

Lol. I'ts not that I'm not happy at the thought, because I dont doubt that KC will be a successful coach, I'm just skeptical about the prospect of an ex-player getting his first head coaches position at one of the biggest clubs in world rugby league. Regardless of how much experience you have as an assistant, the position of head coach is a different ball game, just ask Royce Simmons.

I really hope for his and for the clubs sake, he goes on to be the most successful coach in the clubs history, but if you look at others who have done the same thing, you can't deny the law of averages is stacked against him.

I really hope my reservations are proven wrong.

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:15 pm  

I'm prepared to wait and see but if he carries on with the style of play introduced by Brown it could all end in tears. Grand Final or not, the last two seasons play has not been that inspiring.

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:26 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Whilst I think the point is poorly worded, he might have a point. Not so much getting players on board, but does KC have the contacts (especially in Aus) to stay ahead of the game, like Brown did with Walsh and Masoe for example?

This is my only reservation on the appointment...

He's got a direct contacts in Nathan Brown, Daniel Anderson, Mick Potter, Royce Simmons, David Fairleigh & Steve McNamara?

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:32 pm  

I wait with baited breath as to whether Longy will be part of the coaching setup.
Our structure in attack was our weak spot last year and I can't help recalling the pre-koucash era at Salford when the midfield triangle of Smith, Holdsworth and Patten were flourishing despite other areas at the reds severely lacking.

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:51 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

He's got a direct contacts in Nathan Brown, Daniel Anderson, Mick Potter, Royce Simmons, David Fairleigh & Steve McNamara?

Browns not currently at any club, same with Potter, Anderson would be good, but Eels are in enough trouble for paying players not at the club so probably won't bear any fruit, who knows what Simmons is up to and Fairleigh isn't the key decision maker at Penrith. Knowing Coaches is one thing, but it's generally the administrators who you need to know to get ahead with the NRL clubs these days, as most have specialised recruitment staff...

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:03 pm  

Who's this Kieron fella ........... I thought Keiron had got the job.

Re: Kieron New Coach : Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:26 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Browns not currently at any club, same with Potter, Anderson would be good, but Eels are in enough trouble for paying players not at the club so probably won't bear any fruit, who knows what Simmons is up to and Fairleigh isn't the key decision maker at Penrith. Knowing Coaches is one thing, but it's generally the administrators who you need to know to get ahead with the NRL clubs these days, as most have specialised recruitment staff...

But they'll all know people and have their fingers on the pulse. Its not like having Wayne Bennet on speed dial, but it is something.