Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:27 am  

craigizzard wrote:

Put the Leeds or Saints sides from the mid 2000s into this league and they'd go comfortably unbeaten.

Leeds, who've been awful for months, could have gone top yesterday if they'd have hung on for 5 minutes against the worst Bradford team in history. That would have been laughable. Standards have dropped off a cliff.

That's my point, the saints, Leeds and bulls teams of 4 or 5 years ago would go the season unbeaten in this current super league.

Would any if this current squad get in our 17 of the past ?

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:24 am  

St pete wrote:

That's my point, the saints, Leeds and bulls teams of 4 or 5 years ago would go the season unbeaten in this current super league.

Would any if this current squad get in our 17 of the past ?

The RFL have "dumbed down" the game over the last 5 years, intensity in games has been drastically reduced with much slower ruck plays due to wrestling and interference allowance.

The Salary Cap and overseas player allowance has reduced quality., whilst the recession has effected attendances and revenues.

Whats remarkable is that Saints have managed to build a state of the art stadium, increased attendances and still remained competitive despite experiencing one of the worst injury cycles ever .

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:24 am  

People wanted an even competition. Now they have got it.


Whether the standard is up or down, it's certainly even.


So the standard response from the RL fan is to moan about it. We moaned when Wigan won everything, we moaned when the top 4 where clearly better than the rest, we moaned about a lack of competitive matches, we are now moaning about competitive matches.

But when you look at the international scene we are a try away from the WC final.

I'd agree the standard has dropped, but not in the same way as others. There are about 10 players who have left SL for the NRL or Union. But the drop in standard is also from those top players being more spread across the teams.

In the past you would have had say Walsh and Chase in the same team. Once upon a time we had Cunningham and Higham 2 top quality hookers. With the money now more evenly spread, teams can't keep 2 top hookers or 2 top halves as another team will come in and offer more money just to get one of them.

So there has been some dilution across the teams and some extraction from the league. But the dilution is what we all wanted years ago. If the NRL and Union did not have so much cash floating about the impact would not have been so great.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:29 am  

St pete wrote:

That's my point, the saints, Leeds and bulls teams of 4 or 5 years ago would go the season unbeaten in this current super league.

Would any if this current squad get in our 17 of the past ?

But they wouldn't. Nostalgia warms the memories.

I recently re watched saints destruction of Bradford at valley parade in 2000something. I found myself getting constantly frustrated at the tries we scored, I wouldn't expect London to concede the tries Bradford did that night, simple defensive errors that simply don't happen any more.

In the same way great teams of the 80s couldn't live with the fitness of the modern game, teams of the late 90s early 2000s couldn't live with the structures of modern Rugby League. You have to get to the saints team of 2006 before you get to a team that would cruise this league (as we were the ones to introduce that structure, especially in defence)

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:33 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

But they wouldn't. Nostalgia warms the memories.

I recently re watched saints destruction of Bradford at valley parade in 2000something. I found myself getting constantly frustrated at the tries we scored, I wouldn't expect London to concede the tries Bradford did that night, simple defensive errors that simply don't happen any more.

In the same way great teams of the 80s couldn't live with the fitness of the modern game, teams of the late 90s early 2000s couldn't live with the structures of modern Rugby League. You have to get to the saints team of 2006 before you get to a team that would cruise this league (as we were the ones to introduce that structure, especially in defence)

Impossible to compare 80s rugby to when the game went pro. It's just not possible at all as teams was basically amatuer.

However, it's easy to compare saints of 5 years a go to saints now as the game is and was fully pro.

I'd go as far as saying the game was better 5 years ago.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:34 am  

Do you not think that the increase to 14 teams has seen player quality diluted?
I mean, if you look through the squads of the Super League teams, there are plenty of players that would never have been anywhere near first teams back in the early to mid 2000's.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:37 am  

BlackCape wrote:

Do you not think that the increase to 14 teams has seen player quality diluted?
I mean, if you look through the squads of the Super League teams, there are plenty of players that would never have been anywhere near first teams back in the early to mid 2000's.

Yes I'm convinced the 14 teams has played a part in it.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:49 am  

St pete wrote:

Impossible to compare 80s rugby to when the game went pro. It's just not possible at all as teams was basically amatuer.

However, it's easy to compare saints of 5 years a go to saints now as the game is and was fully pro.

I'd go as far as saying the game was better 5 years ago.

I'm not so sure it was that good 5 years a go. I agree with Magic Superbeetle though. Saints and Bulls fans probably think super league was much more competitive and better 10 years a go. But that's because we were winning everything. You had the Saints/Bulls dominating and Leeda and Wigan occasionally getting to a final. The rest made up numbers.

Yes the Bulls/Saints team of early 00's were arguably better than the current table toppers. But the league itself is much closer from top to bottom (which is what the RFL wants) maybe the Saints/Bulls team of 00's would go unbeaten in 2014. But because they had all the best players. Now it's more evenly spread out.

I don't think what has helped is the NRL signing players like Graham/Burgess/Tomkins. Need to try and keep these players in SL.

Licensing killed any competitiveness at the bottom of the table. And the introduction of the top 8play-off system was one of the worst decisions ever.

Anyway if Saints were hammering everyone evru week I'm Sure Saddened would have a thread moaning how boring it is watching saints smash everyone and SL should be more like NRL.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:58 am  

Bull Mania wrote:

I'm not so sure it was that good 5 years a go. I agree with Magic Superbeetle though. Saints and Bulls fans probably think super league was much more competitive and better 10 years a go. But that's because we were winning everything. You had the Saints/Bulls dominating and Leeda and Wigan occasionally getting to a final. The rest made up numbers.

Yes the Bulls/Saints team of early 00's were arguably better than the current table toppers. But the league itself is much closer from top to bottom (which is what the RFL wants) maybe the Saints/Bulls team of 00's would go unbeaten in 2014. But because they had all the best players. Now it's more evenly spread out.

I don't think what has helped is the NRL signing players like Graham/Burgess/Tomkins. Need to try and keep these players in SL.

Licensing killed any competitiveness at the bottom of the table. And the introduction of the top 8play-off system was one of the worst decisions ever.

Anyway if Saints were hammering everyone evru week I'm Sure Saddened would have a thread moaning how boring it is watching saints smash everyone and SL should be more like NRL.

Yet it's still the same teams wining at old Trafford and competing at old Trafford so it's not really evened it out.

Sure enough it's tight at the top but the relegation was done and dusted with 7 games to play.

Without doubt quality has dropped.

Re: Worst SL season EVER? Or the best? : Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:06 am  

St pete wrote:

Yet it's still the same teams wining at old Trafford and competing at old Trafford so it's not really evened it out.

Sure enough it's tight at the top but the relegation was done and dusted with 7 games to play.

Without doubt quality has dropped.

Tbf tho it's like that in any sport, so I don't think it can be used as an indicator of anything. The premier league is probably the most competitive football league yet only a select few have won it.