Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 8:57 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

To be fair Pete, ive long noticed him being third man in.
I suspect that's a deliberate Saints tactic, as his size pretty much stops the opposition attacker from getting a quick play the ball. However for me such tackles should only class as one third of a tackle.
There may also be the psychological effect of opposition forwards not wanting to run at Masoe. I remember that used to happen re Vila Matautia. Could be quite funny seeing a forward run sideways to avoid getting smashed by Vila.

Its his offensive stats that were particularly poor. The kids all outshone him. A senior player should have personal pride in not wanting kids just out of their nappies like Richards and Thompson, make him look like a lard booty.

I think teams will want to run at him, it's called a spot set, players deliberately run at a player who is big and struggles with fitness as they are most likely be to tired to make tackles and takes the sting out of his running. Feka used to be a prime spot set target.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:03 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Yeah, so don't talk so daft without first seeing things for yourself.

He did a great scoot from dummy half for instance (which was hilarious but also very effective) and played his full part in the try of the night. The team was madness in the second half, with Walsh orchestrating things the whole time, keeping us in some kind of order. Again, this is something you wouldn't know because you weren't there and you haven't seen the game. So you're better keeping your thoughts to yourself until you see the game otherwise you make yourself look a bit of a pratt.

I've seen him nearly every single week at home and away.

If this was a Lms or laffranchi and not the smiling fans favourite Samoan then we'd be calling for his head.

Why make comment of him scooting? He's a pro rugby player, that comes with the job but make out like it's something special. Would you make comment if Amor, Sia or another forward made a scoot or did you make that comment because deep down you know it's very unlike Mose to do something like that as he's lazy.

Half the season in and I'd give him a 6 out of 10. He's on level par with the likes of LMS who's been avg at best.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:07 am  

St pete wrote:

Why make comment of him scooting? He's a pro rugby player, that comes with the job but make out like it's something special.

I can't remember seeing a prop doing it before, that's why. Nothing to do with anything 'deep down'. Don't be such a t!t.

He also played nowhere near the minutes he played last week. We had a rolling bench in the second half as we only had one interchange and LMS was playing injured (turned his ankle). Thompson, meanwhile, played for 60 minutes so his stats are bound to be better.

Half the season in and I'd give him a 6 out of 10. He's on level par with the likes of LMS who's been avg at best.

LMS had a mare until he went off injured. When he played injured in the second half he had a much better game. You're speaking out of your backside as you weren't there this week or last, haven't seen the games and so know nothing.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:27 am  

For a player of his size Mose is so easy to bring down. Half the time he's going down before even being tackled.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:37 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I can't remember seeing a prop doing it before, that's why. Nothing to do with anything 'deep down'. Don't be such a t!t.

He also played nowhere near the minutes he played last week. We had a rolling bench in the second half as we only had one interchange and LMS was playing injured (turned his ankle). Thompson, meanwhile, played for 60 minutes so his stats are bound to be better.

LMS had a mare until he went off injured. When he played injured in the second half he had a much better game. You're speaking out of your backside as you weren't there this week or last, haven't seen the games and so know nothing.

Like I've posted and also told you, I'm basing my opinion on the games I've seen him play and I think he's poor. Your just caught up in the happy go lucky smiling Samoan so give him a easy ride.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:52 am  

Last night Saints used Mose in a completely different way than they did the week before. He was used more as a foil than a ball carrier.
He made himself available far more without ever getting the ball.

Not too sure why we would change his use after such a successful game against Huddersfield - but that was the reason for his completely different stats.
I can only guess that this is Browns attempt to actually make him a more complete player. At the start of his season he was telegraphing each run and there were 3 and upwards defenders prepared for him. If he brings more to his game like dummy runs, backing up breaks etc. then he will be far more effective to the team dynamic than he currently has shown.
Imagine the time when defenders don't know who to target and start leaving him with only 2 or maybe 1 defender in front of him - that is when we will see the best of him. Right now he is too easy a defensive target.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:58 am  

roader wrote:

For a player of his size Mose is so easy to bring down. Half the time he's going down before even being tackled.

You do know that is the way that forwards are taught how to control their tackle. It would be impossible and mostly counter productive to attempt to break through every tackle. The idea is to get the player to have some control, almost a voluntary tackle, so that they hit the ground how they want to (I think the terminology used is "Knees and elbows") so they are able to get back up faster, play the ball faster, and allow the team to build momentum.
Its a team game not an individual game - play your part and the team looks stronger.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 9:59 am  

St pete wrote:

I think teams will want to run at him, it's called a spot set, players deliberately run at a player who is big and struggles with fitness as they are most likely be to tired to make tackles and takes the sting out of his running. Feka used to be a prime spot set target.

I'm aware of that, and have noticed teams put quicker players in at dummy half to run into the hole they hope he will leave. This was certainly a massive problem in the first few games Masoe played and I commented at the time about it.
I will say of late though that he does seem to be covering back ok, not great, but he isn't in the "old Feka" league for leaving holes.
However that might be a sign of other players covering for Masoe. That then leaves edge defenders more exposed.
Its certainly the case that we tend to struggle out wide, so this could be a symptom of one or more players lack of mobility in midfield.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 11:43 am  

Is it not possible that, knowing we only had 1 sub, he levelled out his game to make sure he could not disadvantage his team by taking up the bench spot for long periods of time? From the report I was told, he was awesome in the first 15 during his first stint, and akin to his Huddersfield performance, and low key for the rest of the game. Sounds like someone whose been given the task of lasting the game to me...

Instead of having the Mose debate (again) can I ask to those who were at the game - do walkers stats look about right? How long was he on the pitch for??

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 11:53 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Is it not possible that, knowing we only had 1 sub, he levelled out his game to make sure he could not disadvantage his team by taking up the bench spot for long periods of time? From the report I was told, he was awesome in the first 15 during his first stint, and akin to his Huddersfield performance, and low key for the rest of the game. Sounds like someone whose been given the task of lasting the game to me...

I would say that was very likely. We only had one sub all second half. Thompson played 60 minutes, most of it with a busted nose, but we had to spell LMS as he was a wreck and we had to do stuff like amble to scrums, Walsh wasted time around kicks, etc, just to give everyone a breather.

Instead of having the Mose debate (again) can I ask to those who were at the game - do walkers stats look about right? How long was he on the pitch for??

I was at the game and Walker wasn't on long although I couldn't say exactly how long he was on. He went off in the first half during his first stint. He was wandering all over the place after his head was hit so he had to go off with the concussion rules. His stats would be about right.