Re: Calling it as I see it. : Tue May 20, 2014 8:49 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Whereas we don't make that a priority - as can be witnessed on the pitch - and so we get relative softies. I'm sure they are all nice blokes but not one of them comes across as anything like tough.

In which case it's likely to be Mike Rush and the coach who need a rocket, for recruiting/promoting characters who are nothing like James Graham, who should be the benchmark for forwards.

Clould this all come from McManus who wants family club and nobody that will bring anything negative to the club?


Possibly the softest pack I've seen in years. No real aggression. I used to love the days of us being fired up and really giving it out in defence. Not this team, it's just not there and I include Mose, Lms, laffranchi, walmsley in this.

The young lad Thompson runs like a train every time he gets the ball. If Mose and co could run with his purpose then we'd go ok.

I'm 100% certain that walmsley can't play as a starting prop, he's much more effective off the bench. I don't think he's up to playing big mins physically and mentally. Don't forget he's still young and only played one and half seasons in super league. We can't hammer him as potentially can be top class.

For the likes of Mose and Lms, they are just shocking! You could probably swap them for nearly every prop in super league and we'd have a better prop. IMHO we should do our best to cut these two. They are awful.

Can't really comment on laffranchi this year as he's not played much but if previous seasons are to go by then he's also another that doesn't cut it.

Wilkin is to lightweight, he offers nothing with the ball. He's not strong enough to break a tackle and not fast enough to run round anyone, unless he gets it put on a plate he's useless.

Sia is in awful form but a good player. Can't be to harsh on sia as he's carried the pack in recent seasons and same goes for robes.

Re: Calling it as I see it. : Tue May 20, 2014 9:27 pm  

St pete wrote:

Clould this all come from McManus who wants family club and nobody that will bring anything negative to the club?

I would assume the culture of the club originates with McManus although Mike Rush will have bought right into it given that he's been elevated to CEO and is in charge on a day by day basis as well as influential in recruitment and retention. And I know this because I read his interview in this month's Rugby League World. I'm not speculating.

Re: Calling it as I see it. : Tue May 20, 2014 10:53 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I would assume the culture of the club originates with McManus although Mike Rush will have bought right into it given that he's been elevated to CEO and is in charge on a day by day basis as well as influential in recruitment and retention. And I know this because I read his interview in this month's Rugby League World. I'm not speculating.

Maybe it's time to ditch the "family friendly " way of things and get some mean streak into the team.

Re: Calling it as I see it. : Tue May 20, 2014 11:11 pm  

theres only one stan wall wrote:

The young forwards that come into the Wigan side know whats expected of them as Wane has transformed the culture of the club. He always talks about wanting hard tough men in his pack. The senior players such as O'Loughlin & McIllorum then lead from the front for Wane. We clearly lack a leader in the pack that we had in the past like Hooper, Cayless & then Graham. I recall ppl laughing when Wane brought in 4-5 "captains" as a leadership team but it's given ppl a responsibility & sense of motivation. Great coaching & gets every ounce off every player.

I think you need to credit Wigans previous coach Micheal Maguire for changing the culture of the club and introducing the leadership team.

Its true that Wane does not suffer fools but when it comes to discipline Maguire was something else.