Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Tue May 20, 2014 6:59 am  

If it were me I would give Dawson an extended stay in the centres he is a lot more solid and durable than having to keep changing Turner, Jones and Percival.
Jones never makes a lot of metres and looks a better player when he is the pack.
With the exception of the first couple of games Walmsley has never looked fit this season always seems to go into a game with knock or something.
What I can,t understand is the recovery times of our injured players they seem to take an age to get back compared to other clubs. We don't have any structured play to slot players in like Wigan and Leeds so we are back to square pegs in round holes again.

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Tue May 20, 2014 1:07 pm  

Looks quite even to me apart form the tries scored, other than that mot as much as i would have expected.

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Tue May 20, 2014 3:09 pm  

Dawson by far and away our best player. He may cut inside a lot but as people have said, at least he's making breaks and not throwing suicide passes like Turner.

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Wed May 21, 2014 4:40 am  

I think we have to careful about using stats.

For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Wed May 21, 2014 5:50 am  

Albion wrote:

I think we have to careful about using stats.

For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.

and at least another try too

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Wed May 21, 2014 7:23 am  

But they also don't show that one week he is playing and not playing, then playing centre and then wing etc.

I think he's a decent player and at the moment would have him at centre over Turner, whilst Turner gets his head or what ever the issue is right.

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Wed May 21, 2014 7:26 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

But they also don't show that one week he is playing and not playing, then playing centre and then wing etc.

I think he's a decent player and at the moment would have him at centre over Turner, whilst Turner gets his head or what ever the issue is right.

I was worried about turner when he came out in week 2 and said we won't take the foot off the gas! Why would they of in week 2? I definitely feel there's been an element of believing his own press for turner...

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Thu May 22, 2014 7:59 pm  

Albion wrote:

I think we have to careful about using stats.

For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.

Exactly what I've been saying when people quote Mose stats to me.

Stats don't show who's doing the hard yards etc. They can be very very misleading and I believe certain players play the system.

Coming in 3rd man when the tackle is complete isn't a tackle!

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Thu May 22, 2014 8:55 pm  

My favourite excuse for a player that always has decent stats is Wilkin. I've been saying since 2008 that he's not good enough and it was the likes of graham, KC, Roby, longy, scully, jammer etc that made him look good. Seems a few have finally realised he's just your avg run of the mill player that's had one good season since 2006.

I was always told he runs good lines lol

Re: Wire stats (look at your peril) : Sun May 25, 2014 11:34 am  

St pete wrote:

My favourite excuse for a player that always has decent stats is Wilkin. I've been saying since 2008 that he's not good enough and it was the likes of graham, KC, Roby, longy, scully, jammer etc that made him look good. Seems a few have finally realised he's just your avg run of the mill player that's had one good season since 2006.

I was always told he runs good lines lol

i have no massive beef with Wilkin as a lad, I approximate he puts a lot in, but when you're chasing titles, an underweight back row is not something of use.
People can quote his high tackle rate as a reason to play him all they want, but believe me, if Wilkin wasn't there to make that high tally, someone else would be, weather it be Jones, Flash, Wello or Walker - it's the easiest role in the team to fill.
The ball Playing 13 is not a thing of the past, but it only works if you have some one exceptional like S OL doing, which is why it's so common to see people playing a prop at 13.
Wilkin up with some good touches in a highlights reel, but his bread and butter go forward is well below par. You can state that his quasi playmaking role may affect his stats, but go and compare his stats to Westerman's (who's playing in a team that's really struggling) and they pale in comparison.
He's also one if the lads that's too bloody nice. Saddened will remind you of us getting knocked out of the playoffs by Wire - Westwood had been knocking 7 bells outer us, but when Wilkin caught him with a night shot, he practically chased after him to apologise. Now, that's fine if you're Apollo Perelini and you've spent the rest of the game hurting them legally, but that does not apply to JW.

For me, his standing in the squad is a problem if we want to make progress.
We should have flogged him to Salford when they started flashing the Kash.