Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Tue May 13, 2014 10:51 pm  

For the love of god no!!!

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Tue May 13, 2014 11:06 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

So if we're letting Clough (who is an infinitely better forward than Wello BTW) go, if we're letting Flash go, why on earth would we keep Wello?

I would argue strongly that clough is not an infinitely better player. But that's another argument for another day.

For too long we've had too many players that could fit into a mould. Having 1 is fine, but even then mr dependable needs to do more these days (the mike Bennett/ tim Jonkers role doesn't really exist any more) - ultimately wellens will retire when he's ready, but can offer more than most who fit the mould with his leadership/ coaching/ game management/ experience/ whatever you want to call it, and then well have 0 and the kids coming through can "be dependable" whilst they get used to first team life, and carry on if they develop into more, and get rid if they don't.

As I said, "keep wello out of the team" is a hell of a carrot for any youngster coming through.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Tue May 13, 2014 11:15 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Allowing a senior player one more year (when they perhaps wouldn't merit it if they had only been at the club a short while) is the sort of act that shows the club looks after its players. That can help a lot when other players consider offers from elsewhere.

There's obviously a tipping point past which a player needs to be told they're no longer up to it, but from what I've seen over the years coaches always value experience, even if the benefit isn't immediately obvious from the stands.

I haven't watched Wellens this year, but as a utility sub is he really that bad?

The problem with Wellens is that the 'one more year', the year too far, was the year after Scott Donald sat him on his backside at Old Trafford. That was when Wellens, if he had any personal pride, would have looked at it and admitted he wasn't up to playing in SL anymore. Year after year at fullback he got worse, to the point where it was genuinely excruciating to watch. After being moved from 1, where he's played his whole professional life, rather than fall on the sword and accept he's had a good innings, some genius somewhere decided he was fit for a role in the pack. After his performances there proved very quickly that he's not, some genius gave him a bench spot where he comes on for the final 12 minutes, often when the game is completely over.

It's not that he does much wrong, it's just that he doesn't do much at all. He'll do a few tackles, miss a quarter of them or more as he's not a real SL forward, just a fullback pretending to be a forward and he'll do very little with the ball. The run against Leeds at home was about the only good thing he's done with a ball in 5 years.

It's annoying more than anything, we could have an extra prop in his bench spot, an extra backrower, or a rotation hooker someone who could contribute. As mentioned in the thread we're releasing better players than him year on year yet he's staying.

I'm all for the club recognising his contribution, commitment and loyalty over the years. Give him an ambassadorial role, or a coaching role if he is the promising coach and positive influence people say he is. He doesn't need a shirt in the 17 every week to be central to the club and the sooner he and the club realise that the better.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Tue May 13, 2014 11:21 pm  

As a point you raise saddened, wellens has attempted 229 tackles so far this year, and missed 21 - a little over 9% or missing 1 tackle every 11 attempts - hardly a quarter

It's also enough for him to be 6th on our overall tackle list - not a bad contribution for some one who strolls on in the last 10 minutes

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Tue May 13, 2014 11:22 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

Probably, in which case he'll realise this is pretty much a one man vendetta.

I don't think St Pete has been that bad about this subject recently to be fair to him, but I know what you mean.

Harry Pinner wrote:

He'll only get a new deal if Brown and McManus believe he deserves one and I prefer their opinion to yours.

You may, but my record at winning trophies with Super League teams is very similar over the past 8 or so years and the fact I've spent the majority of those years sat in my boxers playing Football Manager and masturbating says it all.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Wed May 14, 2014 5:30 am  

Saddened! wrote:

It's not that he does much wrong, it's just that he doesn't do much at all. He'll do a few tackles, miss a quarter of them or more as he's not a real SL forward, just a fullback pretending to be a forward and he'll do very little with the ball. The run against Leeds at home was about the only good thing he's done with a ball in 5 years.

This is incorrect and very misleading.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Wed May 14, 2014 5:45 am  

Saddened! wrote:

That was when Wellens, if he had any personal pride, would have looked at it and admitted he wasn't up to playing in SL anymore.

What I don't get in all your ranting, and let's face if there's been a lot, is why you blame him for being given new contracts and being picked to play. It's like you think he decides these things not the coaching and management team.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Wed May 14, 2014 6:02 am  

He's been used terribly in most games this year, with his cameo appearences, but in the games he's played a bigger part of, he's had a much more positive impact.

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Wed May 14, 2014 6:22 am  

He will get one as well

Re: Wellens wants ........................... : Wed May 14, 2014 7:14 am  

St pete wrote:

He will get one as well

The problem is no one is stepping up and showing leadership qualities (captain). Wilkin or Walsh perhaps, with Wellens you get the right mental attitude but even I think he shouldn,t be playing in the first 17 next year.

I suppose if he does get offered a new contract it will be more of a player assistant coach role. We,ve got 4 young players in the pack and I reckon Thompson and Sav will be the ones to break into the regular first 17.