Re: We need a Captain : Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:15 pm  

In Amor Walmsley and Masoe we have 3 props who can mix it with anyone in the league. I worry we seem to (already) be placing too much on Amor, as the hardened grafter given the other 2 are more impact then battle winners.

Another grafting arm wrestle prop and we have a winning combo. But we have a choice of laffranchi - whom I rate as the best option - but he's much better defensively and is at best able to merely hold whatever position we have in the arm wrestle - or LMS, who has shown he can get fired up and really help tip the scales, but far far far too often does far too little (today being a prime example) to be of any help. Beyond that we have kids, who have the potential to be very good, but aren't ready for week in week out, or having the responsibility of having to influence games. Richards was very impressive when he first came on in the first half, but played too long in the second half and lost a little steam.

We needed someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck today (because let's be honest, it was there for the taking at times) but no one stood up and really took control - whether that was as captain or not. Roby badly needs someone to spell with him he looks over used already, and he could of been the man,

Re: We need a Captain : Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:57 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

In Amor Walmsley and Masoe we have 3 props who can mix it with anyone in the league. I worry we seem to (already) be placing too much on Amor, as the hardened grafter given the other 2 are more impact then battle winners.

Another grafting arm wrestle prop and we have a winning combo. But we have a choice of laffranchi - whom I rate as the best option - but he's much better defensively and is at best able to merely hold whatever position we have in the arm wrestle - or LMS, who has shown he can get fired up and really help tip the scales, but far far far too often does far too little (today being a prime example) to be of any help. Beyond that we have kids, who have the potential to be very good, but aren't ready for week in week out, or having the responsibility of having to influence games. Richards was very impressive when he first came on in the first half, but played too long in the second half and lost a little steam.

We needed someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck today (because let's be honest, it was there for the taking at times) but no one stood up and really took control - whether that was as captain or not. Roby badly needs someone to spell with him he looks over used already, and he could of been the man,

I've said all along I would start with Amor and laffranchi. Tho laffranchi isn't great he's certainly not a impact player so coming off the bench he brings nothing. LMS isn't a starting prop as he's to easliy dominated.

To be honest, Greg Richards is probably about the best starting prop to play alongside Amor. He's big, he's a grafter, he makes good meters and won't take a backward step.


I'm serious when I say this, I wouldn't ever pick LMS against Wigan again. He gets absolutely smashed! It took him 15 mins to take a drive after they smashed him from the kick off. I actually thought he looked actually looked afraid.

Re: We need a Captain : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:02 am  

St pete wrote:

I've said all along I would start with Amor and laffranchi. Tho laffranchi isn't great he's certainly not a impact player so coming off the bench he brings nothing. LMS isn't a starting prop as he's to easliy dominated.

To be honest, Greg Richards is probably about the best starting prop to play alongside Amor. He's big, he's a grafter, he makes good meters and won't take a backward step.


I'm serious when I say this, I wouldn't ever pick LMS against Wigan again. He gets absolutely smashed! It took him 15 mins to take a drive after they smashed him from the kick off. I actually thought he looked actually looked afraid.

I like the option of starting with Amor and one of Masoe/ Walmsley. We're punching holes from the get go, whilst Amor (and Soliola whose been playing very centrally it seems recently) do the hard graft to win the forwards battle. The issues arise when we're missing Amor/ when Amor needs to come off. We need another grafter to come on for him. Richards may be the best option in time, but the lads 18, the worst thing for him would be to play long minutes and burn himself out at this stage!

LMS is a luxury player we can't afford when we're missing Amor and another grafter

Re: We need a Captain : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:19 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I like the option of starting with Amor and one of Masoe/ Walmsley. We're punching holes from the get go, whilst Amor (and Soliola whose been playing very centrally it seems recently) do the hard graft to win the forwards battle. The issues arise when we're missing Amor/ when Amor needs to come off. We need another grafter to come on for him. Richards may be the best option in time, but the lads 18, the worst thing for him would be to play long minutes and burn himself out at this stage!

LMS is a luxury player we can't afford when we're missing Amor and another grafter

Maybe we can share that "starting prop" role with Richards, Walker and Thompson. Let's be honest they are more physically up for it than the showboat prop LMS.

Re: We need a Captain : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:20 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I worry we seem to (already) be placing too much on Amor, as the hardened grafter given the other 2 are more impact then battle winners.

We place alot of emphasis on Amor because he's key to our go forward. Walmsley also plays alot better when Amor is playing alongside him and seems more comfortable with him there.

When Amor isn't there, we look alot softer to me especially in defence.

Re: We need a Captain : Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:32 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

We place alot of emphasis on Amor because he's key to our go forward. Walmsley also plays alot better when Amor is playing alongside him and seems more comfortable with him there.

When Amor isn't there, we look alot softer to me especially in defence.

If we being honest what we tonight would be our biggest asset (the pack) isn't all that tbh.

The Back row is lightweight with Wilkin and Flanaghan, Manu looks very slow and unfit this year. The props are mostly impact props apart from Amor.

Roby looks a shadow of the player he is which I think mainly due to have to be doing to much work as walmsley, Mose get tired after 10 mins, LMS not pulling his weight and Amor not playing.

The pack IMO looks lightweight and soft. We might have big props but they ain't running their weight.

Re: We need a Captain : Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:51 am  

Blobbynator wrote:

We place alot of emphasis on Amor because he's key to our go forward. Walmsley also plays alot better when Amor is playing alongside him and seems more comfortable with him there.

When Amor isn't there, we look alot softer to me especially in defence.

Agree with this, we're a different side with Amor on the pitch, we need him back for Leeds

Re: We need a Captain : Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:54 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

Agree with this, we're a different side with Amor on the pitch, we need him back for Leeds

I saw him walking his dog in Billinge yesterday as I was on my way to the Wigan v Bradford game (around 12:40) he still doesn't look anywhere near 100% fit and will be a big miss for you if he doesn't play.

Re: We need a Captain : Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:38 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I saw him walking his dog in Billinge yesterday as I was on my way to the Wigan v Bradford game (around 12:40) he still doesn't look anywhere near 100% fit and will be a big miss for you if he doesn't play.

bugger!

Re: We need a Captain : Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:00 pm  

St pete wrote:

If we being honest what we tonight would be our biggest asset (the pack) isn't all that tbh.

The Back row is lightweight with Wilkin and Flanaghan, Manu looks very slow and unfit this year. The props are mostly impact props apart from Amor.

Roby looks a shadow of the player he is which I think mainly due to have to be doing to much work as walmsley, Mose get tired after 10 mins, LMS not pulling his weight and Amor not playing.

The pack IMO looks lightweight and soft. We might have big props but they ain't running their weight.

If the club announced Wilkin, Flash, LMS and Manu were all leaving at the end of the year I wouldnt be at all disappointed, I doubt many would. Replacing the back rowers with a trent waterhouse type and getting a proper rough house nasty prop