Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:31 am  

Our composure improved when Wellens came on the field. He is our version of Mike Brierley was to cricket England.
He was constantly communicating with Walshy and Wilkin who by coincidence had better performance in the second half.

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:59 am  

Judder Man wrote:

Our composure improved when Wellens came on the field. He is our version of Mike Brierley was to cricket England.
He was constantly communicating with Walshy and Wilkin who by coincidence had better performance in the second half.

I believe we play with 16 men with him on the bench. He shouldn't be In the 17. I don't see what he offers at all.

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:34 am  

St pete wrote:

I believe we play with 16 men with him on the bench. He shouldn't be In the 17. I don't see what he offers at all.

Wello was ok on Friday, the team did seen to lift with him on the pitch

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:17 pm  

I can see the point being made that he provides leadership. However there are a whole 16 other players that need to start taking some of the leadership role.

What we are saying is that in terms of game contribution physically and positionally there are better players. But in terms of managing a set of players on the field we have just Wellens.

I do get it, the back line is very young so not likely to be very vocal. I've never seen Roby or Sia really talking to the other players. LMS does but whether he has the tactical awareness I'm not sure. Walsh would be the obvious choice but is still the new guy and Wilkin.

I get the point but I'm not sure it's valid and if it is then some of the players who should be leaders need to start taking up the mantle a bit. We can't all be pally someone has to be the one who is not afraid to speak out in a game and tell others to get their act into gear.

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:40 pm  

I missed the game due to a wedding.
Now, we were behind at half time and played a lot better in the second half.
Hull, reversely, apparently struggled in the second half as their kicking game faltered.

Question -
Was there a very strong wind that we were playing into in the first half and with us in the second?

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:47 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I can see the point being made that he provides leadership. However there are a whole 16 other players that need to start taking some of the leadership role.

What we are saying is that in terms of game contribution physically and positionally there are better players. But in terms of managing a set of players on the field we have just Wellens.

This is the only reason he is picked in the starting 17, I think deep underneath the surface Saddened would agree!

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:56 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I can see the point being made that he provides leadership. However there are a whole 16 other players that need to start taking some of the leadership role.

What we are saying is that in terms of game contribution physically and positionally there are better players. But in terms of managing a set of players on the field we have just Wellens.

I do get it, the back line is very young so not likely to be very vocal. I've never seen Roby or Sia really talking to the other players. LMS does but whether he has the tactical awareness I'm not sure. Walsh would be the obvious choice but is still the new guy and Wilkin.

I get the point but I'm not sure it's valid and if it is then some of the players who should be leaders need to start taking up the mantle a bit. We can't all be pally someone has to be the one who is not afraid to speak out in a game and tell others to get their act into gear.

I agree with this, and to be honest if we're seeing as much as wellens at the end of the season as we are now, I'd be disappointed.

If you think back to when Sculthorpe long Cunningham retired, (who were all huge voices of the team) it was a case of one day they were there and one day they weren't - whilst we brought in the players to fill the physical position, the loud voices weren't properly filled, and one of the major reasons it's taken us this long to recover imo.

We risk doing the same with wellens, but I think brown is trying to phase him out, and trying to coax other players to be the one to give a rocket! When that happens, we'll see wellens dropping out of the 17 (I hope and imagine)

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:03 pm  

I think the difference was when Sculthorpe left, Long and Cunningham and Wellens where still there.

Graham stepped up but no one else. I'm not for loud mouths, but you have to have a couple of dominate voices not just one.

It all goes back to losing Kyle and Graham. Both could direct a team. Everyone else was happy for them to take charge and when they went they were neither replaced nor did anyone step up.

But for me Wilkin should be making this his role, although actually he would not make my 17. Lomax too should start barking the orders from FB. I like it that LMS can give off, but I have no idea how game aware he is.

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:49 pm  

The ideal candidate would have been Roby but I don't think he has it in him to do the job.
Hopefully Walshy can do the role once he settles in with Wilkin second in command.

Re: Hull match stats : Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:09 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I missed the game due to a wedding.
Now, we were behind at half time and played a lot better in the second half.
Hull, reversely, apparently struggled in the second half as their kicking game faltered.

Question -
Was there a very strong wind that we were playing into in the first half and with us in the second?

It didnt seem that strong tbh. For me we dropped intensity when Walmesley came off after about 10 mins, and again when Amor came off at about 30. Without those two on, we got busted in the forwards. Lafranchi is no prop, absolutely put to shame by Walmesley and Amor