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Re: Our best lineup : Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:16 pm  
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You know, if everyone's fit, I'd take Flash over Wilkin. Much stronger physical presence.

Big call that. Agree on the phyisicallity, but Wilkin is more than just another backrower
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Re: Our best lineup : Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:09 pm  
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Big call that. Agree on the phyisicallity, but Wilkin is more than just another backrower


Wilkin is a far better player than Flanagan.
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Re: Our best lineup : Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:25 pm  
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He's been our second highest tackler for the last 3 years and is an absolute workhorse when it comes to defense (along with roby.) - he also has a lot more arrows to his quiver with regards kicking and passing game.

I reckon Flash could match the tackle rate if he was given the minutes. Ant Walker certainly has.
Flash has more skills than perhaps we give him credit for, but for me, those abilities are not as important as being able to lover someone real hard. Back rows need to be hard and I feel that is an area Wilkin lacks.
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Re: Our best lineup : Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:05 pm  
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I reckon Flash could match the tackle rate if he was given the minutes. Ant Walker certainly has.
Flash has more skills than perhaps we give him credit for, but for me, those abilities are not as important as being able to lover someone real hard. Back rows need to be hard and I feel that is an area Wilkin lacks.


I think that's a big call, as has been said in the clough argument, being able to do high workload in short spells is one thing, over long periods is a whole other story. Ant walker but is no where near ready to be a consistent challenge to either Wilkin or flanaghan, not to say he won't be though in the future

I like flash, and he will no doubt get plenty of game time, but Wilkin has gone from one of the most over rated a few years ago to one of the most underrated. He's a jack of all skills type of player, but his constant and tireless effort sets him apart, which is why I would always pick him before flash. That said, I wish he'd accept inevitability and follow in sinfields example and make the move to 6!

Lomax
Makinson Jones Turner Swift
Wilkin Walsh
Amor Roby Laffranchi
Flanaghan Manu
LMS

Hohaia Soliola Masoe Walmsley

Would be more than great if/when wheeler gets injured!
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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:47 am  
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I reckon Flash could match the tackle rate if he was given the minutes. Ant Walker certainly has.
Flash has more skills than perhaps we give him credit for, but for me, those abilities are not as important as being able to lover someone real hard. Back rows need to be hard and I feel that is an area Wilkin lacks.


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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:02 am  
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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:00 pm  
I don't understand anyone picking Soliola on the bench. He's our best back rower by a mile and in our top 3 players. He HAS to start and play 80 minutes every game otherwise the intensity isn't there from the start.

I'd personally go with:

Lomax
Makinson
Turner
Percival
Swift
Wheeler
Walsh
Amor
Roby
LMS
Soliola
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
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Masoe
Walmsley
Beaumont / Flanagan

No Laffranchi, Wellens or Hohaia in the 17 until injuries hit.

We obviously have a problem at 6 and Percival is a risk defensively but worth an early shot.
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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:42 pm  
What's wrong with Clough? IMO he's one of the most underrated players in Superleague. In many ways he reminds me of Harrison Hansen in that he a fantastic workhorse of a forward, makes his tackles, makes his metres and never let's anyone down. O.K he may not look spectacular, but you need players like that in every team, someone who does the hard graft week in week out.
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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:58 pm  
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What's wrong with Clough? IMO he's one of the most underrated players in Superleague. In many ways he reminds me of Harrison Hansen in that he a fantastic workhorse of a forward, makes his tackles, makes his metres and never let's anyone down. O.K he may not look spectacular, but you need players like that in every team, someone who does the hard graft week in week out.
Brown's hardly given him the time of day since he's been here. Massive mistake IMO as he does all the things you've mentioned and does them just as well against the big teams as the small. He'll never command a massive salary and will be over the moon to play for his hometown club all his career.
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Re: Our best lineup : Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:34 pm  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
Wilkin is a far better player than Flanagan.


Thought hard about this comment:

Is it because Flash chose to leave Wigan???? or did Wilkin support (secretly) The Pies as a youngster, as do 99% of the UK, excluding Scotland of course :wink:
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