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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:15 pm  
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Fair enough, I agree with a lot of that. But wouldn't you expect to see some sort of progress by now? Although we've added Walsh, it's a marginal improvement given the backs are weaker due to Meli departing and Masoe for TP unlikely to be a significant improvement, if one at all.


Don't forget, all our plays and structures we worked on pre season was with lomax and Gaskell as the halves and robes at 9. With one game to go we've changed that god knows how many times for one reason or another and it all went out the window.

He has said we had to simplfly our plays for this reason.

I think Brown needs 3 seasons to sort this mess out. The past signings and retention is the real reason we are like we are. I've been saying this was coming since 2009. The recruitment and retention has been shocking.

We are saying we will miss meli next year and I'm 100% sure we will be let's be honest, he should have been released and replaced two years ago along with Ade.

We've kept giving players new deals which we shouldn't and now Brown needs to replace them virtually altogether.

Like I said, it's a 3 year job IMO which will mean him getting shut of the dead wood and try to replace them with no money.
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:16 pm  
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A good coach in that situation would always stand on the touchline, wear cool shades and fist pump when we do play well.


Maybe he will when we do play well :wink:
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:20 pm  
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The past signings and retention is the real reason we are like we are. I've been saying this was coming since 2009. The recruitment and retention has been shocking.


Oh I'm with you there bro. I've been on that train with you the whole way.
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:32 pm  
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Other than the obvious financial reasons, why do we need to stick with him? The whole club just looks like it's going through the motions. At Huddersfield Brown had a real trademark way of playing. His side was very, very aggressive and played the game at a real pace, not afraid to get it wide early. After a full season Saints still look clueless. It's like every play the ball is a surprise. The dummy half, usually Howarth, gets the ball and hesistates as there are no players making runs. He then throws the ball to a player who pauses, looks around and gets ploughed to the floor. After this is repeated several times we revert to one out rugby. We waste so many tackles it's untrue. Tonight we got several penalties in the Wire half. We put daft, almost sidewards kicks in as if we wanted to start on their 20. Then we'd waste the first three tackles getting to their line.

Saints at the moment are 17 solid professionals playing off the cuff rugby, just as any 17 players assembled from the NRL and SL would do if you threw them into a game with no training as a team. Makes me wonder what exactly the players do all week in training.


OK mastermind I'll humour you so here's some questions for you. Elementary but that's the level I am dealing with:

1. Brown is less than 1 year into a 3 year contract. Where would you find the money to compensate him for that if we sacked him? Be specific. Where would it come from?

2. If Brown is sacked who do we replace him who can guarantee....guarantee...that performances would be better than we have seen this year and would win us trophies? Who? A name or names please. Oh and they have to be available too by the way.

3. Ref (2), above, how can you arrive at that guarantee with said financial outlay as per (1), above? Eamonn would love to know.

4. Does that level of risk constitute best business or sporting practice? If 'yes' - how? I am a curious soul who, after 30 years in business is always willing to learn.

5. Demonstrate examples of where changing your coach every year guarantees improvement. Pick a sport. Any. Over a 3 year period let's say - where?

6. Explain what NB was supposed to have done with the shambles he inherited? Note use of language - not 'chose' but 'inherited'.

7. Do you think Tony Smith, Michael McGuire and Shaun Wane are good coaches? Simple question so yes or no will do - don't get into stuff you are not good at. Like 2+ syllables. Or anything sensible.

8. When you've either failed to answer the above or spouted some of your usual tripe explain why you feel the parody you portray on here is remotely funny. You have spent over 20000 posts trying to prove it which just goes to show you're as good a comedian as Lance Hohaia is a half back. Hope that give you some perspective by the way. Just reflect on that for a while. Your head may hurt but just take it one brain cell at a time. On that basis I'll allow you an extra 5000 years to answer this one.

9. Why don't you do genuine Saints fans who have a bone fide opinion a favour and just stop posting? You are not funny, ill informed, know the square root of bugger all about RL or business and are utterly tiresome. And clearly never attend a game. Still, at least Sky will be glad you exist.

Please answer them all. And then I'll respond and tear you another new one.

Goodnight.
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:42 pm  
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OK mastermind I'll humour you so here's some questions for you. Elementary but that's the level I am dealing with:

1. Brown is less than 1 year into a 3 year contract. Where would you find the money to compensate him for that if we sacked him? Be specific. Where would it come from?

2. If Brown is sacked who do we replace him who can guarantee....guarantee...that performances would be better than we have seen this year and would win us trophies? Who? A name or names please. Oh and they have to be available too by the way.

3. Ref (2), above, how can you arrive at that guarantee with said financial outlay as per (1), above? Eamonn would love to know.

4. Does that level of risk constitute best business or sporting practice? If 'yes' - how? I am a curious soul who, after 30 years in business is always willing to learn.

5. Demonstrate examples of where changing your coach every year guarantees improvement. Pick a sport. Any. Over a 3 year period let's say - where?

6. Explain what NB was supposed to have done with the shambles he inherited? Note use of language - not 'chose' but 'inherited'.

7. Do you think Tony Smith, Michael McGuire and Shaun Wane are good coaches? Simple question so yes or no will do - don't get into stuff you are not good at. Like 2+ syllables. Or anything sensible.

8. When you've either failed to answer the above or spouted some of your usual tripe explain why you feel the parody you portray on here is remotely funny. You have spent over 20000 posts trying to prove it which just goes to show you're as good a comedian as Lance Hohaia is a half back. Hope that give you some perspective by the way. Just reflect on that for a while. Your head may hurt but just take it one brain cell at a time. On that basis I'll allow you an extra 5000 years to answer this one.

9. Why don't you do genuine Saints fans who have a bone fide opinion a favour and just stop posting? You are not funny, ill informed, know the square root of bugger all about RL or business and are utterly tiresome. And clearly never attend a game. Still, at least Sky will be glad you exist.

Please answer them all. And then I'll respond and tear you another new one.

Goodnight.


5) Chelsea, Champions League. Boom!

I win.

And on Saints, I bet you were one of the fools who thought we were going places under McManus. I said repeatedly years ago we'd end up in this mess and very few listened. I've said above that I recognise the financial implications of sacking him, but answer my question, would you not expect to see some progress by now? If you read my posts from last season when Brown was appointed you'll see I predicted the slow start under him as well. But even I expected some form of improvement by now and it's not materialising.

Must pain you greatly that I'm so popular? If I left, this place would be mothballed within two months.
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:04 am  
I'm a Nathan Brown fan, but he was to blame for that poor start IMO.

Why on earth was LMS on the bench? I can't think of any logical explanation for it. He's been our best forward recently. Also, soliola on the bench?
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:40 am  
I think he went for a defensive set up at the start of the match. But even the best defensive set up will struggle with ball turned over so easily.

When I saw the line up it looked like soak it up for 20 minutes, the bring your hard runners on to run at tiring legs.

But the team turne over ball to easily and let Warrington control the pace of the game.

In the end it comes back to the squad available. Wilkin can match it agaist weaker teams, but against quality he suffers and because Lance cant kick he is an easy target. Hence a charge down on the third tackle.

Several forwards got hammered in the tackle and lost ball.

Howarth again showed that his pedestrian speed at dummy half will get killed in high intensity games.

I was amazed we got so close after 22-0.

There were problems, but look at that against a good warrington side and the drubbing against Huddersfield and tell me we have not improved.

Since game 1.

FB +ve
Swift and Makinson +ve
Turner Meli +ve
Wilkin +ve Lance -ve
TP same
Laffranchi -ve
Howarth -ve
Walker +ve
Jones +ve
Manu +ve

Bench

Wellens same
LMS +ve
Sia same
Warmsley +ve

It's only my opinion but players that are improving the side are more in +ve than -ve.

we need a back up hooker but Howarth is not it for me.
Lance is not better, but look what GOB did for us in a few games. Even he tonight would have closed the gap with defense and kicking alone, never mind his running game and balance he brought to the team. Warrington are likely to end 2nd and we ran them close with zero halves and kicking on the 4th from the centre position.

Yes we are not great, but we are better than you credit us.
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:08 am  
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2. If Brown is sacked who do we replace him who can guarantee....

johnny wellies!.....who else would put a slowcoach like wilkin at stand off?
have 3 important members of the squad on the bench when playing a strong team like warrington!
theres not one move in this team...no flair whatsoever....going 22 nill down on your own ground in nearly as many minutes is disgusting.
having no recognized goal kicker is a joke...(hoping if saints score a try it will have to be under the sticks).
one man rugby at walking pace is pathetic....the kicking game is a joke...nearly every kick goes straight into the opposition players hands!
since the millward - anderson era the coaching situation as been a joke..you could weld potter...simmons and brown together and still not come up with a decent coach...a few weeks ago the chairman went in and gave em a dressing down..may i suggest he does this before every game....because people who are paying good money for season tickets etc don't want to be paying for the garbage that was shown for the first half hour last night!
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:19 am  
We've been hamstrung by issues with the key positions this year which have lasted pretty much all season.

Given we've had makeshift 6, 7 and 9 all year along with the number of youth players we've had to blood I don't think 5th is that bad a position to finish (as long as we win next week of course)
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Re: Brown isn't good enough : Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:21 am  
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We've been hamstrung by issues with the key positions this year which have lasted pretty much all season.

Given we've had makeshift 6, 7 and 9 all year along with the number of youth players we've had to blood I don't think 5th is that bad a position to finish (as long as we win next week of course)


If hull beat us and Catalan win, we are 7th.
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