FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Nathan Brown - What do we think?
::[url=//saints.org.uk](Website)[/url]
Albion 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star2681No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jul 17 10:1225th Jul 17 09:24LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:03 pm  
JamesSL wrote:
Pretty much sums it up I think, next year on paper is looking good although have to be cautious as this year did as well....


That's a fair point. But we thought we had 2 HBs in Lomax and Gaskell.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12189No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 29 200717 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th Jun 17 21:0629th May 17 09:59LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
where ever i am

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:37 pm  
Some of the recruitment prior to him was terrible, nd the team was as a result shocking.
Hes done very well with what he has, moved Lomax to FB in preference to our club legend and captain, a brave move.
Hes doing a great job of rebuilding and introducing the youngsters.
Im very pleased with his progress
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach673
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 28 200718 years332nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Dec 23 21:0210th Dec 23 21:02LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
For sale thirty brand new suits, made in 2007 never been worn but rather tear stained.
Apply to Wigan warriors rented accommodation.

2 nil will get you a win
30 nil will get you a win
75 nil is absolute humiliation.

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:26 pm  
Average coach at the best.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 22 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Feb 16 22:3515th Oct 15 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Somewhere other than here
Signature
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:42 pm  
I'm still to be convinced.

Our turnaround in the Wigan game was brought about by McManus rather than Brown. In this week's League Express Hohaia in his interview refers to the players receiving a kick in the pants from McManus. Given the very poor standard of play in most of our matches this year, particularly at home (and especially against Hull KR), it would appear Brown is not that hot on discipline, either in terms of penalties given away or with ball in hand, and until very recently our defence had become very weak. I used to be fairly sure we could defend our line for long periods but under Brown we became very soft. Our defence now does appear to have improved. However, according to all reports (and the radio commentary), our overall performance against Wakey suggests our attitude towards ball retention and overall discipline has slipped back to pre-Wigan match standards, which is concerning. We are going to struggle enough without a single recognised halfback playing at halfback without giving the opposition invitations into the match with poor ball retention and bad discipline.

Speaking of halfbacks, I thought Brown was a complete idiot to get rid of Gaskell, leaving us without any halfbacks at all. Gaskell's attitude (if he had one) is no excuse. The coach is paid to man manage and so he should have done so instead of leaving us so vulernable all season. The temporary presence of O'Brien, who while a hard worker was no world beater (not as yet anyway), shows what a positive impact an actual halfback can have on a team.

I don't like his tweaking, and he tried it again in the second half against London. He needs to stop. That is one of the most annoying features of his coaching and I know he drove Huddersfield fans to distraction with it. It's one thing managing a squad or providing opportunities for young players to have a go at first grade; it's entirely another to change the personnel so much that it causes break down in communication and all manner of confusion, especially when injuries have not forced his hand.

I do like it that we can score from deep these days, and some of our tries have been special. Saints recently compiled a 'top 10 so far' clip of tries we have scored this season and while they were all good, some were terrific. However, we aren't going to be as good as we could have been in the attack department without any recognised halfbacks so keeping Lomax and our backline generally (which is looking nifty since Brown copied Simmons and shifted Meli to centre) fit and playing well is vitally important to our hopes for the rest of the year IMO. We are going to be overly dependent on them for tries I think.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star3839
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 17 201113 years227th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Oct 24 13:3517th Sep 24 12:56LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:26 pm  
SaintsFan using this thread to champion Simmons and Gaskell - I didn't see that coming!!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6767No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 29 200717 years249th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
31st Jul 24 22:088th Apr 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Now in Enemy Country
Signature
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:28 pm  
I think I would sooner judge Brown next season now he has settled in. First half of this season the players attitude was shocking, McManus helped Brown by going public on the unacceptance.
Probably the positive side of Brown is how he has handled the development of the younger players, Makinson had stagnated but is a much better player now, Turner is performing consistently than when he was at Hull, I also think he has handled Walmsley very well.
With the 2 Penrith players and a rejuvenated Roby we should be a better outfit next year this should hopefully mean less tinkering next season.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 22 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Feb 16 22:3515th Oct 15 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Somewhere other than here
Signature
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:46 pm  
The Yellow Giraffe wrote:
SaintsFan using this thread to champion Simmons and Gaskell - I didn't see that coming!!

No need for that and very childish. Very predictable too.

I suppose you will try and turn this into another session of personal attacks and spoil what might otherwise be a decent swap of opinions? You usually do.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star3839
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 17 201113 years227th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Oct 24 13:3517th Sep 24 12:56LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:20 pm  
SaintsFan wrote:
No need for that and very childish. Very predictable too.

I suppose you will try and turn this into another session of personal attacks and spoil what might otherwise be a decent swap of opinions? You usually do.


I thought I was on your ignore list love?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 10 200321 years110th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Oct 24 08:4812th Sep 24 14:08LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Warrington

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:23 pm  
I don't think he's done anything to suggest we'll ever win a trophy under him. His hallmark at Huddersfield was pacey, athletic backs and an ultra aggressive pack. Granted we don't have the quality backs that Huddersfield have, but there is none of the aggression showing either.

Granted we don't have superb halves either, but there is no sign of any concerted gameplan or structure to our attack either.

4/10 so far.
Albion 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star2681No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jul 17 10:1225th Jul 17 09:24LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Nathan Brown - What do we think? : Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:24 pm  
SaintsFan wrote:
Our turnaround in the Wigan game was brought about by McManus rather than Brown. In this week's League Express Hohaia in his interview refers to the players receiving a kick in the pants from McManus. Given the very poor standard of play in most of our matches this year, particularly at home (and especially against Hull KR), it would appear Brown is not that hot on discipline, either in terms of penalties given away or with ball in hand, and until very recently our defence had become very weak.


I have to disagree, strongly. I'm not sure why you can be so convinced that the turnaround in form is because of a chairman and not the coach?

McManus said some stuff in the press but that came before the Cas game (didn't it?) yet we were vey lucky to win that one I thought.

Anyway, I thought that our turnaround came in the Hudds game. We lost that one, but I think we showed enough in that game to suggest that we were starting to click. We should have really won that one but for their defence to keep us out. We then comfortably beat both Bradford and Salford. The Hull KR games was not great, but I think it was a blip. We didn't handle the conditions well at all and there was a lot of dropped ball.

I used to be fairly sure we could defend our line for long periods but under Brown we became very soft. Our defence now does appear to have improved.


Surely, this is a coaching point? You APPEAR to have given a compliment to the coach but that's after you put the knife in about the same aspect of our play?
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 108 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to St. Helens


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Or thane
3308
1m
Grand final Tickets
apollosghost
76
12m
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
9
15m
Finn out Murrell in
Tony Fax
42
47m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
77
47m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62642
53m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Wires71
51
Recent
Film game
karetaker
4223
Recent
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
Recent
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
29s
Shopping list for 2025
Yippee try y
5343
37s
OT Rohan Smith -
FGB
2
40s
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
44s
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Wires71
51
56s
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
1m
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
1m
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
gardener
18
1m
Play-off semi-final
FIL
47
1m
Betting 2024
karetaker
188
1m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2467
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
FGB
2
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
PopTart
3
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
9
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
TODAY
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
TODAY
Player of the Season 2024
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Released Players List
Jemmo
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
TODAY
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
gardener
18
TODAY
Awards
The Avenger
11
TODAY
dan russell confirmed 2 year contract
Wires71
13
TODAY
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
MicktheGled
16
TODAY
2025 Catalans Dragons Kit
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Grand Final
Douglas Blac
12
TODAY
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
77
TODAY
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
chapylad
13
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
ArthurClues
32
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
BigRoy
13
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
2
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Seeking favourite images from grounds - past or present
retrosports
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
536
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
630
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
471
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
609
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
625
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1013
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1085
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1457
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1615
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1386
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1764
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1588
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1708
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
2058
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2593
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 12th Oct
SL
18:00
Hull KR-Wigan
Sun 13th Oct
CH
15:00
Swinton-Hunslet
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 6th Oct
L1 26 Keighley6-20Hunslet
CH 29 Bradford25-12Featherstone
WSL2024 16 York V18-8St.HelensW
NRL 31 Melbourne6-14Penrith
Sat 5th Oct
CH 29 York27-10Widnes
SL 29 Wigan38-0Leigh
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 28 759 336 423 46
Hull KR 28 729 335 394 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Bradford 27 703 399 304 36
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
York 28 682 479 203 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Or thane
3308
1m
Grand final Tickets
apollosghost
76
12m
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
9
15m
Finn out Murrell in
Tony Fax
42
47m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
77
47m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62642
53m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Wires71
51
Recent
Film game
karetaker
4223
Recent
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
Recent
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
29s
Shopping list for 2025
Yippee try y
5343
37s
OT Rohan Smith -
FGB
2
40s
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
44s
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Wires71
51
56s
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
1m
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
1m
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
gardener
18
1m
Play-off semi-final
FIL
47
1m
Betting 2024
karetaker
188
1m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2467
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
FGB
2
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
ninearches
14
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
PopTart
3
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NickyKiss
9
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
TODAY
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
TODAY
Player of the Season 2024
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Released Players List
Jemmo
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
TODAY
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
gardener
18
TODAY
Awards
The Avenger
11
TODAY
dan russell confirmed 2 year contract
Wires71
13
TODAY
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
MicktheGled
16
TODAY
2025 Catalans Dragons Kit
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Grand Final
Douglas Blac
12
TODAY
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
77
TODAY
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
chapylad
13
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
ArthurClues
32
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
BigRoy
13
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
2
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Seeking favourite images from grounds - past or present
retrosports
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
536
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
630
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
471
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
609
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
625
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1013
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1085
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1457
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1615
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1386
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1764
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1588
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1708
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
2058
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2593


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!