Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:44 pm  

He's already agreed that the performances have been substandard and haven't been good enough, I'm not sure continually going on about it is helpful to anyone in the club. Fans aren't rational, it's the nature of the beast, so not sure why that is an issue. Also of the two articles I read on both sites, I'm not sure where any unreasonable comments are made in regard to fans. In this one http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231 is it this comment 'Langtree Park is our home. But at times this season the players have picked up on an anxiety in the stands.'? You don't think booing the team has a detrimental effect on performance? In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. If you are talking about other articles do you mind pointing them out to me?

He's already agreed that the performances have been substandard and haven't been good enough, I'm not sure continually going on about it is helpful to anyone in the club. Fans aren't rational, it's the nature of the beast, so not sure why that is an issue. Also of the two articles I read on both sites, I'm not sure where any unreasonable comments are made in regard to fans. In this one http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231 is it this comment 'Langtree Park is our home. But at times this season the players have picked up on an anxiety in the stands.'? You don't think booing the team has a detrimental effect on performance? In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. If you are talking about other articles do you mind pointing them out to me?

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:47 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Exactly.

And it is interesting that there is an article online in the Star and the Reporter today and both have little digs at the fans. The club really do need to be careful about criticising the fans because ultimately the club needs the fans. McManus needs to reconnect with the fans rather than alienate them.

I have just been on both sites. Where is this supposed dig at the fans? Or, as is the norm with you and your nonsense, do you have nothing to support your claims?

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:58 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote: He's already agreed that the performances have been substandard and haven't been good enough, I'm not sure continually going on about it is helpful to anyone in the club. I don't see the point in making repeated references to the fans either but he keeps doing it. I don't actually see the point in him making statements at all but he keeps doing that too. Fans aren't rational, it's the nature of the beast, so not sure why that is an issue. Well exactly. So why instruct us to be rational? He's showing signs of being out of touch. He could have shown a degree of empathy with the fans - that would have been a wise move IMO - but there hasn't been any sign of that in any of his statements so far. Hence my issue. Also of the two articles I read on both sites, I'm not sure where any unreasonable comments are made in regard to fans. In this one http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231 is it this comment 'Langtree Park is our home. But at times this season the players have picked up on an anxiety in the stands.'? You need to read for context. The reference was in the context of the players' performances. It is by implication putting the responsibility on the fans for the players' performances. You don't think booing the team has a detrimental effect on performance? Booing comes at the end of a miserable performance, so no. It is ridiculous to expect fans to cheer the team on when they have chosen to (metaphorically speaking) stay in the dressing rooms. They are paid professionals and their last performance was universally criticised by media, fans, just about everyone who saw it and it was totally unprofessional, thoroughly deserving of boos and early departures. They will get the same again if they put in as little effort on Monday as they did the last time out. They need to man up and put out a performance worthy of our support. It may not be a winning performance but it at least needs to be a performance. In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. Really? I loved this line by Brown in particular: Our away support has been terrific considering we have not had the greatest of years, but our home fans have been turning up and not seen some of our best footy. Do you see what he did there?

Billinge_Lump wrote: He's already agreed that the performances have been substandard and haven't been good enough, I'm not sure continually going on about it is helpful to anyone in the club. I don't see the point in making repeated references to the fans either but he keeps doing it. I don't actually see the point in him making statements at all but he keeps doing that too. Fans aren't rational, it's the nature of the beast, so not sure why that is an issue. Well exactly. So why instruct us to be rational? He's showing signs of being out of touch. He could have shown a degree of empathy with the fans - that would have been a wise move IMO - but there hasn't been any sign of that in any of his statements so far. Hence my issue. Also of the two articles I read on both sites, I'm not sure where any unreasonable comments are made in regard to fans. In this one http://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231 is it this comment 'Langtree Park is our home. But at times this season the players have picked up on an anxiety in the stands.'? You need to read for context. The reference was in the context of the players' performances. It is by implication putting the responsibility on the fans for the players' performances. You don't think booing the team has a detrimental effect on performance? Booing comes at the end of a miserable performance, so no. It is ridiculous to expect fans to cheer the team on when they have chosen to (metaphorically speaking) stay in the dressing rooms. They are paid professionals and their last performance was universally criticised by media, fans, just about everyone who saw it and it was totally unprofessional, thoroughly deserving of boos and early departures. They will get the same again if they put in as little effort on Monday as they did the last time out. They need to man up and put out a performance worthy of our support. It may not be a winning performance but it at least needs to be a performance. In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. Really? I loved this line by Brown in particular: Our away support has been terrific considering we have not had the greatest of years, but our home fans have been turning up and not seen some of our best footy. Do you see what he did there?

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:03 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So why instruct us to be rational?

He didn't!!!!!!

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:07 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

He didn't!!!!!!

Oh yes he did, on Boots n All.

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:13 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Oh yes he did, on Boots n All.

I've watched the video, he didn't. He said he wanted to bring rationality to the situation. He could have meant in relation to the media reaction or internal goings on. You have assumed he aimed it at the fans because it suits your ongoing vendetta against him.

He actually said that the fans reaction has been understandable.

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:28 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote: In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. If you are talking about other articles do you mind pointing them out to me? That is just a standard Wilkin interview. Tends to play his best games in the papers along with LMS , Gunna do this Gunna do that. All that was missing was an in joke about a junior player and a reference to his recent testimonial.

Billinge_Lump wrote: In this one http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/sai ... like_home/ I can't see anything that is a dig at fans. If you are talking about other articles do you mind pointing them out to me? That is just a standard Wilkin interview. Tends to play his best games in the papers along with LMS , Gunna do this Gunna do that. All that was missing was an in joke about a junior player and a reference to his recent testimonial.

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:29 pm  

Gerry Mander wrote:

All that was missing was an in joke about a junior player and a reference to his recent testimonial.

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:30 pm  

SaintsFan wrote: I don't see the point in making repeated references to the fans either but he keeps doing it. I don't actually see the point in him making statements at all but he keeps doing that too. WHo is he talking to if not the fans? Well exactly. So why instruct us to be rational? He's showing signs of being out of touch. No he isn't, some of the reaction to this run has been irrational. Some fans do need to be more rational about the situation, for example it's unlikely that the club will be able to, or wish to, get rid of approximately 75% of the squad in this off season as has been suggested in the past by various people. He could have shown a degree of empathy with the fans - that would have been a wise move IMO - but there hasn't been any sign of that in any of his statements so far. Hence my issue. He didn't show empathy with the fans in the programme notes or this article http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3143 ? You need to read for context. The reference was in the context of the players' performances. It is by implication putting the responsibility on the fans for the players' performances. No, you are reading what you want into it. Many players in many sports pick up on a poisonous atmosphere created by home fans, they don't want to be on the receiving end of mass criticsm so start to become hesitant. Hesitant, unconfident players tend to make mistakes. Booing comes at the end of a miserable performance, so no. Booing has come at half time and in the first half when tries have been conceded, don't be disingenuous. It is ridiculous to expect fans to cheer the team on when they have chosen to (metaphorically speaking) stay in the dressing rooms. You don't think that the players should be cheered on during the game? Nice thinking on motivation, I'm glad I'm not likely to be in one of your classes. They are paid professionals and their last performance was universally criticised by media, fans, just about everyone who saw it and it was totally unprofessional, thoroughly deserving of boos and early departures. They will get the same again if they put in as little effort on Monday as they did the last time out. They need to man up and put out a performance worthy of our support. It may not be a winning performance but it at least needs to be a performance. Overly negative criticism rarely has the desired effect on the recipient, if booing players enhanced their performance why don't fans boo winning teams? Really? I loved this line by Brown in particular: Our away support has been terrific considering we have not had the greatest of years, but our home fans have been turning up and not seen some of our best footy. Do you see what he did there? Said that fans have still been travelling in numbers to support the team away from home even though home performances have been poor? What do you think he's said there?

SaintsFan wrote: I don't see the point in making repeated references to the fans either but he keeps doing it. I don't actually see the point in him making statements at all but he keeps doing that too. WHo is he talking to if not the fans? Well exactly. So why instruct us to be rational? He's showing signs of being out of touch. No he isn't, some of the reaction to this run has been irrational. Some fans do need to be more rational about the situation, for example it's unlikely that the club will be able to, or wish to, get rid of approximately 75% of the squad in this off season as has been suggested in the past by various people. He could have shown a degree of empathy with the fans - that would have been a wise move IMO - but there hasn't been any sign of that in any of his statements so far. Hence my issue. He didn't show empathy with the fans in the programme notes or this article http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3143 ? You need to read for context. The reference was in the context of the players' performances. It is by implication putting the responsibility on the fans for the players' performances. No, you are reading what you want into it. Many players in many sports pick up on a poisonous atmosphere created by home fans, they don't want to be on the receiving end of mass criticsm so start to become hesitant. Hesitant, unconfident players tend to make mistakes. Booing comes at the end of a miserable performance, so no. Booing has come at half time and in the first half when tries have been conceded, don't be disingenuous. It is ridiculous to expect fans to cheer the team on when they have chosen to (metaphorically speaking) stay in the dressing rooms. You don't think that the players should be cheered on during the game? Nice thinking on motivation, I'm glad I'm not likely to be in one of your classes. They are paid professionals and their last performance was universally criticised by media, fans, just about everyone who saw it and it was totally unprofessional, thoroughly deserving of boos and early departures. They will get the same again if they put in as little effort on Monday as they did the last time out. They need to man up and put out a performance worthy of our support. It may not be a winning performance but it at least needs to be a performance. Overly negative criticism rarely has the desired effect on the recipient, if booing players enhanced their performance why don't fans boo winning teams? Really? I loved this line by Brown in particular: Our away support has been terrific considering we have not had the greatest of years, but our home fans have been turning up and not seen some of our best footy. Do you see what he did there? Said that fans have still been travelling in numbers to support the team away from home even though home performances have been poor? What do you think he's said there?

Re: Chairman on Boots n All : Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:31 pm  

Gerry Mander wrote:

That is just a standard Wilkin interview.

Tends to play his best games in the papers along with LMS , Gunna do this Gunna do that.

All that was missing was an in joke about a junior player and a reference to his recent testimonial.

Agreed, the mistake is thinking that anything of importance is said in these things.