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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:25 pm  
Well, I was told repeatedly that everything was all Simmons' fault in 2012 so if that is the case then the present situation must be all Brown's fault!

However, striking a serious note, I think it's a mixture of the two in this instance.
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:28 pm  
The years of poor recruitment decisions are finally starting to bite, the succession of Grand Final finishes papered over a lot of cracks.
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:34 pm  
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The years of poor recruitment decisions are finally starting to bite, the succession of Grand Final finishes papered over a lot of cracks.



At last someone else singing from the same hymn sheet as me and saddened
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:38 pm  
Its not Brown's fault, no. It's McManus' fault. It is his narrow mindedness that has left us with our season over in April and sat mulling over the worst Saints side in 20 years.

Having said that, Brown is not a Saints coach.
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:39 pm  
Really think once u get a few players back ie Roby, Manu and lomax ul be a totally different outfit
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:39 pm  
Billinge_Lump wrote:
The years of poor recruitment decisions are finally starting to bite, the succession of Grand Final finishes papered over a lot of cracks.

Pretty much sums it up !
Our GF appearances have flattered to deceive
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:46 pm  
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I don't blame Brown one little bit. We pointed the finger at potter, Simmons and rush but now its Browns turn! The blame at some point has to fall at the players feet as well as McManus.

Brown has come to this club having to deal with McManus and past coaches poor recruitment and retention. He's got over the hill rubbish props in Laffranchi and perry, he's got a poor second row trying to play scrum half in Jon wilkin and anyone the cap fits to play stand off.

You could put the best coach in the world in charge of this team and he would fail. Its a very very poor team and a very very poor squad.

He's had it tough with Roby, Lomax, Manu, TP, Ade, Wheeler and Perry missing most the season. I think we would have won our last two games with those players on the pitch.

So IMO the blame falls at the feet of McManus for allowing ex coaches recruit rubbish and retain players on longer deals like wilkin getting 5 year deal, lance hohaia being signed as a halfback on a 4 year deal etc


Bang on IMO

The only thing that you can hold against brown is Gaskell, but if they don't rate him currently...well that's what he's paid to judge.

Howarth in at 6 was bizarre, but he's having to try anything to get us through. We need a half. I said last week that if we are going to stick with Wilkin (which I think is pretty much a guarantee) then the club are writing off this season and it's clear that they lack ambition.

I'm glad McManus dragged us out the poop when he came on board, and I'm over the moon that he delivered a stadium, but if he isn't going to invest in the team then what's the point of him keeping saints? We could have had Koukash!
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:55 pm  
Even though we have not been at our best for a few seasons now I do think some of our players seem to be struggling under Brown compared to last season. Just putting a balanced team out each week would help and stop making changes when they are not needed.
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:59 pm  
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Even though we have not been at our best for a few seasons now I do think some of our players seem to be struggling under Brown compared to last season. Just putting a balanced team out each week would help and stop making changes when they are not needed.


We struggled under Rush playing a 'safe' team last season too, difference now is that we are struggling with a team where the coach is trying something different.

I'd rather the coach do his job and try things.
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Re: Is It Really Brown's Fault? : Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:05 pm  
Albion wrote:
We struggled under Rush playing a 'safe' team last season too, difference now is that we are struggling with a team where the coach is trying something different.

I'd rather the coach do his job and try things.


IMO we are a lot worse this season with virtually the same team than under our "fill" in coach, now CEO.
In fact he has two signingings in Manu and Turner joining the team which should have improved it.

As stated in many threads his choice of HB's is bizzaire even if it is mainly as a result of injuries.
would any of the aforementioned coaches play Wello and Wilkin as a HB pair - would any SL coach, no matter how desparate?
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