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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:30 pm  
For the sake of less moving about, I'd go Makinson to full back ans Gardner onto the wing, but I know people have been saying Lomax to full back and Wilkin to 7. It'll be interesting to see what Brown goes for.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:30 pm  
Adam Swift to fullback for me.

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Half back combos are built. We need to let Lomax and Gaskell to continue their eduction together. Swapping and changing halves upsets the balance and momentum of a side. All great sides have settled half backs.

Makinson needs to continue his development on the wing. I dont think he provides a long term solution to replacing Wello at fullback. Rationale being that fullback is one of the four key creative positions on the field, the others being the hooker and the two halves. Therefore you need someone with good footballing skills to play there. Swift being an halfback/fullback by trade has these skills. Makinson has only shown an ability to run reasonably quickly in a straight line, and finish in the corners. He hasnt shown a particular talent for being able to read a game well.

Makinson and Turner need to continue together to help build their understanding on the pitch.

Putting Gardner and Turner together would degrade the pace significantly on that threequarter line as Turner would need to slow down on a break to allow Gardner the opportunity to catch up. Thereby negating the advantage Turners pace gives us. Similarly opposition wingers know that Gardner cant score from any distance, this means they can double team on Turner, and take the risk that if Turner gets the ball to Gardner that one of the second rowers would be able to cover back and tackle him.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:37 pm  
Swifts injured aint he?
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:39 pm  
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Swifts injured aint he?


Not aware of any injury especially considering he hasnt played any games yet.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:44 pm  
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Adam Swift to fullback for me.

Reasons being.
Half back combos are built. We need to let Lomax and Gaskell to continue their eduction together. Swapping and changing halves upsets the balance and momentum of a side. All great sides have settled half backs.

Makinson needs to continue his development on the wing. I dont think he provides a long term solution to replacing Wello at fullback. Rationale being that fullback is one of the four key creative positions on the field, the others being the hooker and the two halves. Therefore you need someone with good footballing skills to play there. Swift being an halfback/fullback by trade has these skills. Makinson has only shown an ability to run reasonably quickly in a straight line, and finish in the corners. He hasnt shown a particular talent for being able to read a game well.

Makinson and Turner need to continue together to help build their understanding on the pitch.

Putting Gardner and Turner together would degrade the pace significantly on that threequarter line as Turner would need to slow down on a break to allow Gardner the opportunity to catch up. Thereby negating the advantage Turners pace gives us. Similarly opposition wingers know that Gardner cant score from any distance, this means they can double team on Turner, and take the risk that if Turner gets the ball to Gardner that one of the second rowers would be able to cover back and tackle him.

I like all that reasoning.

The only thing that would sway me the other way - to Lomax at #1, is that Wilkin seems to be playing as a half anyway, so if he's going to do that, we may as well give him the shirt, let Lomax take up the attacking birth out wide and let us pick an extra forward?

Really though, I long for the magic of Lomaskell to return, so would like us to work on that.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:49 pm  
Lomax to FB would be a statement of intent.

Both that there are plans in place for when Wello retires and that we are looking for a controlling halfback to step in.

It's only on the rumour thread, but if Lance could find a club, then we could solve a few problems at the club by having people but for the wrong positions.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:08 pm  
This is like being told it's Christmas, but that you've got to work a 12 hour shift.

Whilst it's an absolute blessing to have the corpse finally removed from the field and actually play a few games with 13 players rather than 12, the timing of it isn't exactly ideal. In fact, this happening now, when Saints are in a complete and utter shambles in most areas of the pitch, could make my assertion that Wello is absolutely terrible look a bit silly.

Whilst I have no doubt that I am right and he is terrible, it would have been better if this happened when the side was in form, particularly in attack. Whoever plays fullback will improve our attack, but it's in a side that is struggling. It wouldn't surprise me if we got slaughtered by Bradford at the weekend.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:42 pm  
Jon Wilkin will be #7, with Jonny Lomax at #1.
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:44 pm  
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This is like being told it's Christmas, but that you've got to work a 12 hour shift.

Whilst it's an absolute blessing to have the corpse finally removed from the field and actually play a few games with 13 players rather than 12, the timing of it isn't exactly ideal. In fact, this happening now, when Saints are in a complete and utter shambles in most areas of the pitch, could make my assertion that Wello is absolutely terrible look a bit silly.

Whilst I have no doubt that I am right and he is terrible, it would have been better if this happened when the side was in form, particularly in attack. Whoever plays fullback will improve our attack, but it's in a side that is struggling. It wouldn't surprise me if we got slaughtered by Bradford at the weekend.



Now if that is not backtracking whilst hedging your bets I don't know what is.

A brilliantly worded statement that will prove you to be correct no matter the outcome.

You are David Cameron and I will collect my £10.

Thank you
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Re: Saints skipper Wellens out for a month : Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:21 pm  
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A brilliantly worded statement that will prove you to be correct no matter the outcome.


Why thank you. :lol:

Do you get what I'm saying though? We could throw Billy Slater in that side and we would still struggle to make him look good. They need to sort out some structure in the attacking plays and a lot more movement off the ball before any fullback would be able to shine.
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