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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:56 pm  
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A very good and very unfairly maligned player for me (he never had a chance being a Wiganer sandwiched between Wello and Preckie), but you could still never pick him over Wellens.


I would.
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:50 pm  
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I would.


:shock:

To be fair you'd happily pick a snowman instead of Wellens, so not exactly a revelation. :lol:
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:30 pm  
How some people have a 'dream team' choice with two teams and manage to come up with Matautia on the bench I'll never know.

Also, my memory isn't the greatest, but I don't recall Sean Hoppe ever playing in the halves.
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:19 pm  
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Interesting comments, I didn't see the game, only the scoreline. I'd always imagined it must have been a straightforward battle between the packs rather than a game won by speed and handling.


That game was all down to defence. Bradford in 1999 were all about being bigger than you and running over you. Chances are your opposite number when playing Bradford was 4-5 stone heavier than you. They did have some real craft with Lowes and the Pauls but in the end Bradford had "Plan A" which was run over you. Saints that day manned up in defense and Bradford didn't know what to do no one had been able to tackle them out all season.

Saints tackled 1-17 heroicly, if it had been a "straightforward battle between the packs" we would have lost by 50. The 1999 grand final was our greatest hour, not 75-0 not the 1996 cup final not anything in 2006.
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:29 pm  
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Saints tackled 1-17 heroicly, if it had been a "straightforward battle between the packs" we would have lost by 50. The 1999 grand final was our greatest hour, not 75-0 not the 1996 cup final not anything in 2006.


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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:47 pm  
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How some people have a 'dream team' choice with two teams and manage to come up with Matautia on the bench I'll never know.


He was big and constantly up for biff in the 5 minutes he was on the pitch before being sent off basically so everyone thought he was great. It's a bit like pace being the only property most numpties are capable of being able to appreciate a back for - if a winger is quick he's good, otherwise he's rubbish. If a forward is aggressive and starts fights he's good etc. etc. FWIW I always thought overall he was more of a liability than anything else.
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:43 pm  
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I would.


Jesus, Patch makes Wellens look like Usain Bolt!
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:53 pm  
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Jesus, Patch makes Wellens look like Usain Bolt!


Leave him be in his delusions - he's happy, bless him ;)
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:24 am  
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Jesus, Patch makes Wellens look like Usain Bolt!


:lol: Patch was average tbh. I loved him but Jeez ...
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Re: 1999 Super League Grand Final : Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:41 am  
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He was big and constantly up for biff in the 5 minutes he was on the pitch before being sent off basically so everyone thought he was great. It's a bit like pace being the only property most numpties are capable of being able to appreciate a back for - if a winger is quick he's good, otherwise he's rubbish. If a forward is aggressive and starts fights he's good etc. etc. FWIW I always thought overall he was more of a liability than anything else.


That's harsh on Matautia. He was a very aggressive man, to be sure, butI'll bet he didn't give away as many penalties as, say, Scott Moore or Ben Westwood. Also, as a guy who didn't much bother with the whole footwork-before-the-line approach of most modern forwards, he really battered the opposition tacklers, as well as putting in a few bellringers himself.

In any case, I'd never put him in an overall dream team ahead of the likes of Fairleigh or Ward, but I was just comparing him to his counterparts in today's squad. I'd have him ahead of any of our identikit not-very-big-not-very-fast-not-very-skilful bench forwards. Or indeed ahead of a starter like Perry.
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