Re: Ade Gardner : Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:29 pm  

I would give Gardner a run to be honest. As Judder Man says too completley different style of wingers. Makinson is a terrific finisher at times but Gardner gives us extra go forward on our exit sets which is equally as valuable.

Re: Ade Gardner : Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:36 pm  

If Gardner is our best winger, that's a damning indictment of our youth system.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:41 am  

We have big games coming up, hopefully Gardner will come in for Meli to reduce the amount of cock-ups.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:16 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

If Gardner is our best winger, that's a damning indictment of our youth system.

To be fair, the way he was retuning the ball before he got injured, i think that could've been the best form I've seen from Ade.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:57 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

If Gardner is our best winger, that's a damning indictment of our youth system.

And/or our present coach.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:59 am  

on_the_charge wrote:

I would give Gardner a run to be honest. As Judder Man says too completley different style of wingers. Makinson is a terrific finisher at times but Gardner gives us extra go forward on our exit sets which is equally as valuable.

Except our forwards should be doing that. Warrington have one spindly winger in Riley who doesn't take the ball up far but they don't lose out because they have hard working forwards who make an impact. A winger shouldn't be chosen solely on his ability to act like a forward IMO, and that is the only advantage Gardner has over Makinson. The only one.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:02 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

To be fair, the way he was retuning the ball before he got injured, i think that could've been the best form I've seen from Ade.

In those 2 games against Warrington and Leeds the whole team was returning the ball in a different way than we have seen for years, or since. Perry looked good in those games.

I don't recall him doing anything particularly special in the games leading up to the Leeds/Warrington games, and I dont recall his performance against Wigan, and then he got injured against Cas.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:31 pm  

EHW wrote:

In those 2 games against Warrington and Leeds the whole team was returning the ball in a different way than we have seen for years, or since. Perry looked good in those games.

I don't recall him doing anything particularly special in the games leading up to the Leeds/Warrington games, and I dont recall his performance against Wigan, and then he got injured against Cas.

It was the Wigan game I seem to recall. The determination going into contact returning kicks was outstanding.

He didn't turn in to ET or anything, but he showed that he is capable of a good contribution to the cause.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:53 pm  

Gardner, on the rare occasions he's been fit, has been running the ball up like a demon for 2 seasons solid now. At the Piedome last year for example the stands practically shook with the impact each time he got tackled.

Re: Ade Gardner : Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:35 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Except our forwards should be doing that. Warrington have one spindly winger in Riley who doesn't take the ball up far but they don't lose out because they have hard working forwards who make an impact. A winger shouldn't be chosen solely on his ability to act like a forward IMO, and that is the only advantage Gardner has over Makinson. The only one.

Warrington are a different side to us, so it's unfair to compare. They have a huge forward pack, we don't so the backs are required to help out I think. In that respect, Meli and Gardner offer more than Makinson.

A bit before your time, but Bradford used to have a huge forward pack in 2001 and had Tevita Vaikona and Lesley Vainikolo as their wingers. It was a frightening prospect for the majority of sides, so big, aggressive, fast wingers isn't a bad thing.

Gardner has done well for us this year when fit so I'd put him in if fit. I'd possibly move Meli to Centre personally though, although I doubt Rush will do that as you say.