Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:18 pm  

wakey_saint wrote:

I think you will eventually see Makinson at full back,

I don't. I think you'll see him continually used on the wing and some other player will sneak in and pinch the #1 shirt, whether its Swift or Gaskell out tof the Under20s, or Lomax or Lance being shuffled around due to a new signing.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see Makinson at Fullback.

Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:38 pm  

I think you'll probably eventually see Makinson at Salford or Wakefield actually unfortunately...

Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:08 pm  

As a kind of neutral (St's have always been my second team - you need one to support when your own team is perenially out of the running by halfway through the season) Wellens is a player I respect and admire for his longevity and great service to RL; I'm also reliably informed that he's an all-round nice bloke.

I'd have to agree with Saddened however, in that his constant chelping and arm-waving at the officials is an embarassment and not really acceptable behaviour from a club captain; it shows the game in a poor light and sets a bad example to young players, not to mention the detriment to his own game - didn't we make a break that resulted in a try when he *should* have been at marker, but was too busy moaning at the ref?

In short - great player, shame about the attitude.

Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:10 pm  

bren2k wrote:

As a kind of neutral (St's have always been my second team - you need one to support when your own team is perenially out of the running by halfway through the season) Wellens is a player I respect and admire for his longevity and great service to RL; I'm also reliably informed that he's an all-round nice bloke.

I'd have to agree with Saddened however, in that his constant chelping and arm-waving at the officials is an embarassment and not really acceptable behaviour from a club captain; it shows the game in a poor light and sets a bad example to young players, not to mention the detriment to his own game - didn't we make a break that resulted in a try when he *should* have been at marker, but was too busy moaning at the ref?

In short - great player, shame about the attitude.

Yup indeed. And I think if you got a physchologist/physchiatrist in to analyse his behavioural issues, the conclusion would be that the route cause was frustration at his own performances.

Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:33 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Yup indeed. And I think if you got a physchologist/physchiatrist in to analyse his behavioural issues, the conclusion would be that the route cause was frustration at his own performances.

I too get frustrated at my age with my own "performances" but I don't try to take off like a birdman.

I think he is frustrated more with the overall team performances which he feels responsible for as captain.

I am OK with wello at F/B and captain for 1 more year as I think that he has had actually a much improved second half of the season than the first half or all of last year in fact. Against hudds a couple of weeks ago he was my MOM with some great try saving tackles and against warry he was far from being anywhere near the worst player out there.

Re: Paul Wellens : Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:31 pm  

Might be at the back end of his playing days but would still walk into most teams for a season or two.Like Sinfield hes still a good player who if he cuts the mouth is a better player for it.The bloke would run through a brick wall for you and you would miss him if he suddenly said thats it Im finished as of now.

Re: Paul Wellens : Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:48 am  

For me the jury is still out on Tommy Mack.
He needs to prove his worth for a spot in the starting 17, never mind staking a permanent position of his own!

Re: Paul Wellens : Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:52 am  

les-goose wrote:

would still walk into most teams

I think hte general point is that we don't want to be like most teams, we want to be the best. We're not a million miles away, but there are obviously areas in which we must improve, lest we remain also rans.

Re: Paul Wellens : Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:25 pm  

WidnesSaint wrote:

For me the jury is still out on Tommy Mack.
He needs to prove his worth for a spot in the starting 17, never mind staking a permanent position of his own!

He plays in a garbage backline with no service to be fair to him, and is still only a young lad probably being played out of his natural position, but nevertheless he's rarely looked much better than average so far this season, and his form has started to dip alarmingly of late with depressing echoes of Foster's decline. He has the makings of a decent SL player but has a long way to go yet.

Re: Paul Wellens : Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:13 pm  

wakey_saint wrote:

I think you will eventually see Makinson at full back, but at the moment he isnt experienced enough to be as effective there as Wello is.

Nonsense , you only get experience though playing there, he's spent years watching Wello and no doubt other fullbacks far better than Wello he needs to play and not be held back because we arn't ruthless enough to do what needs to be done and move Wello out