Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:57 am  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Has Meli been confirmed yet? I'm counting no chickens until he has...

Actually no. He's had the offer but not signed up as yet.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:50 pm  

Shenton has impressed me in the last month or so and I like him, he's a top lad off the field and can still make it as the top British centre in super league.

I must admit, I was worried about his poor form at the start of the season and in all honesty thought that injury in the grand final had finished him as a top player but he does seem to be over it now.

I never wanted a 100% fit shenton to go but as I said at the time, I'd let him go if his elbow wasnt ever going to recover.

I think it will come back to bite us on the bum but as another poster wrote, he's never really fully fitted in and we might not have seen the best of him.

I hope he gets back to his best at cas as I like him as a player and a bloke.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:51 pm  

Shenton's far superior to Turner. If Tony Martin wasn't injured then Turner wouldn't be in the Hull side (and, personally, I'd rather we played Crooks than Turner but Crooks is also injured).

Turner's had 3 or 4 good games earlier on in the season but has been appalling for the rest of it. Whilst he can run the ball alright and has decent upper body strength, his defence is woeful. We concede atleast 1 try in almost every game because of a defensive error by him, whether it's him running out of the line but not making the hit, or a poor read, or leaving his winger exposed.

I think that Saints have made an error in signing him if he's intended to be first choice.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:00 pm  

Where's this Turner's good in attack myth come from? He's rubbish at both, and his hop skip and jump 3 foot in the air when running from dummy half fools nobody. He's fast, that's it.

Poor player and Shenton is more than twice the player he will ever be.

Can't help thinking NB thinks he's got a Cudjoe/Lawrence/McGillivary type. He's going to be disappointed.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:09 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

He's a downgrade on Shenton at this moment in time, fact.

That's where I stand too. Shenton has been hung out to dry by Saints fans too quick to point the finger in the same way as what happened with Lance up until a couple of weeks ago. A lesson for all who did.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:12 pm  

east hull FC fan wrote:

Where's this Turner's good in attack myth come from? He's rubbish at both, and his hop skip and jump 3 foot in the air when running from dummy half fools nobody. He's fast, that's it.

Poor player and Shenton is more than twice the player he will ever be.

Can't help thinking NB thinks he's got a Cudjoe/Lawrence/McGillivary type. He's going to be disappointed.

The 'Turner's good in attack' has come from him playing well in attack.

He's scored a few good tries. He's continued driving forwards through two tacklers to get the ball down. He's willing to pass to his winger and put him away. He's confident near the line and backs himself.

The hop skip thing is getting a bit old now and it hasn't been very effective for him, I agree.

As I and many others have said, he's massively let down by his defence and reading of the game.

Shenton is a superior player.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:15 pm  

People stating that Saints have gambled are missing the obvious, Shenton wasn't happy at Saints and wanted to go back to Yorkshire. This was showing in his performances, and also in his improvement since it was confirmed he'd be going home.

Saying that, I don't think Turner is that far behind him. He's certainly an athlete and that's what we need inour backline.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:52 pm  

I stick by what I said when we signed him:

"Raw, but the potential is certainly there. Could easily go either way but I don't see it as much of a downgrade on the 2011/2012 Shenton TBH and if we've saved cap as a result, it's the right move."

Plus I had a look at his stats at the time and, whilst I agree Shenton has improved recently, Turner had more tries and about double the number of busts and clean breaks as Shenny.

I'm still fairly pleased - Shenton's improvement recently has taken him from utterly anonymous to reasonable, let's not get carried away and think he's some sort of superstar.

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:59 pm  

I am convinced to this day had Shenton stayed on the field in last years GF we would have won that there is no question in my mind. Shenton has been steady this year in defence but has offered very little in attack. Having said that could the injury in the Grand Final played on his mind too much???

Re: Shenton v Turner : Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:02 pm  

Saying Shenton is playing better now, therefore we should have kept him is a bit of a red herring for mine. He's playing better since he got his move back home. Some players just don't fit no matter how good they are at their home town. In his head he is obviously happier now, hence better on field performances.

Take Danny Orr. Not too many injuries whilst playing at Wigan or London but never really played at the potential he showed at Cas.

I know this personally, having seen someone working where they did not want to be, as soon as they secured new employment their tail was up for the rest of their time at work as they knew they were going to be leaving and hence performances improve.