Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 8:57 pm  

For me guys it is John Wilkin who is your achillies heel. Giving penalty after penalty away in the second half when you needed to be in our half taking advantage of your extra man, he is well past his best.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 8:58 pm  

St pete wrote:

Can't argue with most of that.

Don't be fooled by the wilkin testimonial hype, he's been this bad since 2007 with the exception of a ok season last year. He's the most overrated player to put a saints shirt on!

For me wello needs to watch today's video because he looked shocking when they made a break. I think KC needs to put a arm round wello and just tell him his times up, I don't want my memories of wello being what he is now. Carmont left him for dead!!!

I agree. Wellens is a shadow of his former self. Unfortunately, he's also the only back outside of the halves who runs decent lines, has an eye for a gap and backs up.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 8:59 pm  

centralparkforever wrote:

For me guys it is John Wilkin who is your achillies heel. Giving penalty after penalty away in the second half when you needed to be in our half taking advantage of your extra man, he is well past his best.

Even without giving the pens away, he's still not good enough.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:01 pm  

wilkin has never been good enough. drastically overated tbh.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:03 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I agree. Wellens is a shadow of his former self. Unfortunately, he's also the only back outside of the halves who runs decent lines, has an eye for a gap and backs up.

As with most players nearing the end, the brain still there but the body no longer is.

I think if makinson was fullback today then he'd have stopped some of them tries.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:06 pm  

pk wrote:

wilkin has never been good enough. drastically overated tbh.

That's just silly. Wilkin has been a good player for Saints. Had he not arrived in the shadow of Scully (drawing obvious and unfortunate comparisons) I doubt he'd be anywhere near as maligned.

However, it is true to say his form has slipped over the past 18 months or so. To be honest I think the game has passed him by. Second row forwards seem far bigger today than they were five years ago. I remember standing next to Wilkin a few weeks ago thinking "This guy really is small".

It's not too bad when your forwards are on top and the backs are functioning. But when it's time to tough it out Jon is seriously outgunned. It's like watching a destroyer taking on a dreadnought sometimes.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:10 pm  

at least makinson as a hindley boy has something to prove against wigan. too many saints players dont seem to care

in terms of wilkin mugwump, its just my opinion but ive always thought of him as a luxury player who looks great in easy wins but in true backs to the wall games he flatters to deceive. not silly at all. think he sums up this era saints team who when it matters just struggle to get over the line. although they have half the ball playing ability youd rather have a JJB/Westwood/HH type second row who would leave it all on the field, every time they play, than wilkin. he just seems to be bog standard in big games.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:11 pm  

St pete wrote:

Even without giving the pens away, he's still not good enough.

There seems to be too much 'old pals act' going on at Saints at the moment. With Cunningham right in the middle of it. Surely a recall for Gaskell should improve Lomax who seems lost without him. Lance is a hooker anyway and would be a good interchange option with Roby.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:20 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Wheeler: Has now exceeded the point at which he needed to justify his shirt.
Shenton: Once again, "Bambi" fails to live up to his reputation. Doubtless the usual suspects will spring to his defence with the argument that no one passes to him. Have they ever considered the possibility that his team mates know it's a dead ball (or dropped) every time?
Wilkin: Has allowed his testimonial to become more important than his performances. Useless this season - when we needed his leadership the most. Did he concede 5 or 6 penalties today?
Meli: What more can be said?
Gardner: Runs hard - but if I wanted a prop on the wing I'd pick LMS (who's twice as fast - not to mention, twice as dangerous).

Sad but true. Rush needs to make some changes.

Re: Career-killing game : Sun May 27, 2012 9:21 pm  

I am sure Wilkin will be enjoying his nice, long, new contract...