Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 4:38 pm  

Gaskell is more Karl Hammond than Tommy Martyn imo

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 5:09 pm  

Wello - yes he's had a very good season
Ade - 50/50 if he can retain this seasons form yes
Shenton - no
Sia - yes he's been one of our best this year.
Meli - no
Hohaia - no, he's never a stand off as long as he lives
Lomax- yes
Perry - no. It's just not worked out
Roby - yes
LMS - yes he's made a huge improvement this year
TP - yes
Wilkin yes
Flannery - retiring
Laffranchi - yes but he's not a prop even though he's done ok
Flanaghan - yes
Clough - yes but needs to pick it up as he's gone back to what he was.
Wheeler - yes
Magennis - no, he's just not big enough or good enough.
Dixon - no
Gaskell - yes
Makinson - yes
Foster - no

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 5:12 pm  

WidnesExile wrote:

Here goes then. I hink he has a very good long kicking game he has shown a good level of proficiency with his short game including some very good little grubbers for tries.

He hasn't lacked the willingness to perform his defencive duties. He can bullet a pass and even though he throws the?odd interception will improve. He has shown an ability to lead the team round and shown some organising qualities. He also is willing to take on the defence and go through a gap.

Will that do.

IMO his kicking game is OK but nothing spectacular.
For a half back his passing is too erratic. Some lovely passes quickly followed by some which make you shake your head.
Defensively OK for a player of his age, No complaints there.
Organisationally he takes the wrong option too often and attacks break down because he will go for glory when a simple pass is all that is required.
In broken play with ball in hand he doesn't seem to be aware of his support runners until it is too late.

All this could be put down to his age but Great stand-off's don't have these fundamental flaws in their games even at a young age.

I personally think he may be able to be converted to centre or second row (provided he bulks up a lot ). Without the organisational side of the gameplan to worry about he may start to gain consistancy and confidence and prove me wrong.

Who knows.

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 5:16 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

Gaskell is more Karl Hammond than Tommy Martyn imo

Lee Gaskell is more direct with his running than Hammond.


Lee gaskell has everything to be a top stand off.

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 6:31 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

Lee Gaskell is more direct with his running than Hammond.


Lee gaskell has everything to be a top stand off.

+1

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 6:37 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

A recent discussion about the abilities of Lee gaskell has got me thinking. How many of the current squad would fans think were of the required standard for the club.

1. Paul Wellens - Yes but close to retiring
2. Ade Gardner - Yes but only just
3. Michael Shenton - 50/50 Can't make my mind up
4. Sia Soliola - Big yes
5. Francis Meli - Yes
6. Lance Hohaia - No
7. Jonny Lomax - Yes(Bags of potential)
8. Josh Perry - No
9. James Roby - Big yes (No brainer)
10. LMS - Yes
11. Tony Puletua - Yes
12. Jon Wilkin - Yes
13. Chris Flannery - Retiring
14. Anthony Laffranchi - Yes
15. Mark Flanagan - Yes
16. Paul Clough - Yes
17. Gary Wheeler - Yes
18. Shaun Magennis - 50/50
19. Andrew Dixon - Yes
20. Lee Gaskell - NO
21. Tom Makinson - Yes (potential)
22. Jamie Foster - 50/50 (If he could get back to where he was)
23. Scott Hale - Not seen enough to judge
24. Nathan Ashe - Not seen enough to judge
25. Carl Forster - Not seen enough to judge
26. Josh Jones - Yes (Potential)
27. Danny Jones - Not seen enough to judge
28. Joe Greenwood - Not seen enough to judge
29. Anthony Walker - Not seen enough to judge
30. Jordan Hand - Not seen enough to judge
34. Adam Swift - Not seen enough to judge

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that everyone of these players are at the standard that is required at St Helens these days.

Saint Simon please don't ban me, I am not trolling its just that this is how I view Saints these days

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 6:41 pm  

Fatbelly wrote:

My thoughts are that everyone of these players are at the standard that is required at St Helens these days.

Saint Simon please don't ban me, I am not trolling its just that this is how I view Saints these days

Nicely hidden. That's how we saw Warrington for the past 100 years.

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 6:50 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

Lee Gaskell is more direct with his running than Hammond.


Lee gaskell has everything to be a top stand off.

noone would be happier than me if he is!

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 8:41 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

Lee Gaskell is more direct with his running than Hammond.


Lee gaskell has everything to be a top stand off.

Scully managed to be both a top stand off AND Loose Forward so it's possible . Brad Fittler too

Re: Squad standards : Sun May 20, 2012 10:16 pm  

1. Paul Wellens - Yes but should be doing less not more nowa days
2. Ade Gardner - No, has always been on the cusp but never broke through for me
3. Michael Shenton - No, has gone backwards for me at Saints
4. Sia Soliola - Yes - could become a massive prop for us in future
5. Francis Meli - No, is blistering in attack and a nightmare in defence
6. Lance Hohaia - Maybe but not at halfback
7. Jonny Lomax - Yes, but probably not as our general in the middle just yet, needs a freer reign
8. Josh Perry - No, whether injury or attitude it's a no
9. James Roby - Yes ( but needs to be used less)
10. LMS - Maybe but seams to turn it on and off
11. Tony Puletua - Yes
12. Jon Wilkin - Not sure anymore
13. Chris Flannery - Would have been if he just played 2nd row and not centre or LF
14. Anthony Laffranchi - Yes, but we have alot similar
15. Mark Flanagan - Not sure another very similar style player we have too many of
16. Paul Clough - No, we have too many hardworkers, not enough skill
17. Gary Wheeler - Yes, but needs that run of fitness
18. Shaun Magennis - No, too similar to the rest of the hardworkers
19. Andrew Dixon - Undecided, has been kept out since his good run
20. Lee Gaskell - Yes, can already bust tackles, make breaks, has one of the best long kicking games in the league, a decent short kicking game that makes tries, links well with other half's, will get bigger and bust more and more tackles, has improved his defence and has been our last line a few times, can spot where other teams are short and get across feild to make the extra man, needs to work a bit more on holding the line and taking the right option and looking for support runners.
21. Tom Makinson - Yes, but I don't see him as the FB others do, Winger for me
22. Jamie Foster - Maybe, but would need to see him along side a different centre to see if his tries were all meli or whether he can strike with a less dominant centre, and needs his confidence for kicks and defense
23. Scott Hale - Not seen enough to judge
24. Nathan Ashe - I like what I've seen, seams to have a bit of pace
25. Carl Forster - Liked what I've seen, but needs not to stall like some of our other potentials seam to have done.
26. Josh Jones - Not seen enough to judge
27. Danny Jones - Not seen enough to judge
28. Joe Greenwood - Not seen enough to judge
29. Anthony Walker - Not seen enough to judge
30. Jordan Hand - Not seen enough to judge
34. Adam Swift - Not seen enough to judge

In the end Top Saint, I'm not sure whether you see something different to the rest of us in Gaskell or whether its something personal. I know when he first made the team there were a few guys straight on here to bag him before hand touched ball. I don't know the guy, but it does seam he has rubbed some people up the wrong way and some are using forums to bag the guy.

Gaskell maybe a total tool, and really unlikable as a bloke, but as a RL player with one season under his belt, he has more talent than most in their first hit out and it seams to be just personal reasons that are now keeping him from playing.