Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:15 am  

Wello is ruining his legend, if he has another year, he'll be laughed at

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:28 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

Wello is ruining his legend, if he has another year, he'll be laughed at

Interesting comment to make given he's been one of our best since Simmons left and had a decent game at the weekend IMO.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be replaced next year, but your comment is waaaaay OTT and a tad disrespectful.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:33 am  

Fully agree Mugwump.

I'm loathe to bag players cos anyone who takes to a rugby pitch deserves respect and Gardner has had his moments (Brisbane 2007) but he should have been released after the 2009 season.In that year's Grand Final Matt Gidley put him clean through and he butchered a walk-in try due to absolutely no pace.Mick Potter had his critics but by the end of 2010 he had dropped Gardner completely,but he got a reprieve when Potter left AND another contract.

How about this though.Back in January Jon Wilkin was on Radio Merseyside discussing the merits of the modern day winger and his role in the team.At Saints,Wilkin said Gardner would be in his team every time "because he helps the forwards out and hit's it up hard from his own line".Admirable sentiments but then he then went on to say Darren Albert wouldn't get a game now because he was a lazy player who just wanted to score tries!I had to listen again to make sure I heard it correctly.

Shame on you Darren for wowing us for 4 years with breath-taking tries and wonderful try-saving tackles when you should have been hitting it up hard from your own line and relieving the forwards!If that's the mind set now it's no wonder we have a chronic lack of pace in the backs if the club just want solid pro's instead of genuine flair.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:43 am  

Saddened! wrote:

How can you say Wellens played well? What did he do well exactly? Is the fact that he didn't drop any balls enough? His contribution in an attacking sense is a major negative for us and he's never in the right place defensively either.

Wello was the only back who ran with any enthusiasm or aggression whatsoever, was safe under the bomb, scored a try and made a clean break (more than any forward did.)

I'm not saying he's Billy Slater but in a horrible, spineless team performance which completely lacked any direction or leadership, he was one of our better individual performers and I'm still thankful he's there in big, pressure games like that which is why I'd give him another year.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:50 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Interesting comment to make given he's been one of our best since Simmons left and had a decent game at the weekend IMO.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be replaced next year, but your comment is waaaaay OTT and a tad disrespectful.

Perhaps, but we're in danger of losing decent replacements for him be it Ashe, Makinson or who ever because they wont wait forever

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 9:58 am  

The first job should be buying Hohaia a one way ticket home and replacing him with an organiser at 6. Following that we need to teach lomax that running to the line, feigning a pass before releasing a short ball is decent SOME of the time but when it is literally his only move, we are going to get found out.

Then we need to recreate Paul Anderson and we'll have achieved a winning team.

In order of what we need next year I would say it is

Organising half back
Huge prop
Full Back
Wing
Centre

We're fine at back row and hooker but all of the other positions need to be improved upon if we are to regain our place in the top 4 because we are comfortably behind Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Leeds at the moment and I'd only fancy us against Catalans in a home game.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:04 am  

Your next 3 games could be cruical to you finishing in the top 4.
Monday, 21 May 2012
Leeds v St Helens, 20:00
Sunday, 27 May 2012
St Helens v Wigan, 18:00
Friday, 1 June 2012
Hull v St Helens, 15:00

For your season to remain on track I think you will need to win 2 of those 3. Lose 2 of them or even worse 3 then you could well be in 8th place. But looking at your fixtures after these 3 you play some winnable games.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:09 am  

Fatbelly wrote:

Your next 3 games could be cruical to you finishing in the top 4.
Monday, 21 May 2012
Leeds v St Helens, 20:00
Sunday, 27 May 2012
St Helens v Wigan, 18:00
Friday, 1 June 2012
Hull v St Helens, 15:00

For your season to remain on track I think you will need to win 2 of those 3. Lose 2 of them or even worse 3 then you could well be in 8th place. But looking at your fixtures after these 3 you play some winnable games.

I'd be more than happy with one win from those three. Even the middle Wigan game isn't really at home, so it's 3 away games in a row. Mind you we said that before the run of three games against Leeds, Wigan and Warrington and we won 2 of those.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:12 am  

(Saint) wrote:

Wello was the only back who ran with any enthusiasm or aggression whatsoever, was safe under the bomb, scored a try and made a clean break (more than any forward did.)

Rubbish. Makinson worked just as hard and made the only other clean break (nobody was following up of course). Wello also knocked on and allowed Finch - probably the slowest man on the Wigan team - to leave him for dust. So while I'm not into bagging Wello - he was great last season and since returning from injury this season has been great too - he is not impervious to error. The fact is that his lack of pace does now hinder our attack. However, on Saturday that was not our problem. We didn't have pace in our attack in the first place. In fact, we didn't have anything in attack.

On Saturday Wello and Makinson were our best players. The majority of the remainder were a very mixed bag and some should not have been played at all. However, those 'some' will be played against Leeds and in all our games regardless of how poorly they perform because they are senior players and these days it would seem they are beyond reproach.

Re: It's time to pull the trigger : Mon May 14, 2012 10:16 am  

Saddened! wrote:

. Mind you we said that before the run of three games against Leeds, Wigan and Warrington and we won 2 of those.

I was going to include this in my post. But there is a difference in that the players had gotten rid of a Coach they did not like and felt they had to put up a show to justify their actions.

But now the honeymoons over and KC & Rush's inexperience as Coach's will be tested.