Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:11 pm  

Cragganmore Kid wrote:

We'd be no worse off than we were before rush and KC came in.

People so easily forget that we were playing really badly before Leeds away last year - although we had James Graham on board to cover up the cracks in the forwards - but we turned it around at Leeds away. There was nothing at all to say that things couldn't have turned around with Leeds again this season regardless of who was in charge.

The problem we now have is that we might have a group of senior players who are not going to play unless the fancy takes them AND an inexperienced duo in charge. When Royce was around at least we had an experienced coach who had already been through a similar pattern with the players before AND turned it around to the point where we were off to another Grand Final. And let's face it, I don't think anyone thought we would get to a GF last year given the number of injuries we had and the disruption caused by that factor plus all the off field stuff. We ended up winning our last 10 matches if memory serves.

Royce had form on turning the team around. The present regime do not. While hopefully things will turn around, because although I am still firmly of the opinion it was wrong to fire Royce (for a number of reasons) I do still want Saints to do well, there is a bigger risk this season than last that they won't because not only are we without our inspiration on the pitch but we are also without experience in the coaching team.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:44 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

People so easily forget that we were playing really badly before Leeds away last year - although we had James Graham on board to cover up the cracks in the forwards - but we turned it around at Leeds away. There was nothing at all to say that things couldn't have turned around with Leeds again this season regardless of who was in charge.

The problem we now have is that we might have a group of senior players who are not going to play unless the fancy takes them AND an inexperienced duo in charge. When Royce was around at least we had an experienced coach who had already been through a similar pattern with the players before AND turned it around to the point where we were off to another Grand Final. And let's face it, I don't think anyone thought we would get to a GF last year given the number of injuries we had and the disruption caused by that factor plus all the off field stuff. We ended up winning our last 10 matches if memory serves.

Royce had form on turning the team around. The present regime do not. While hopefully things will turn around, because although I am still firmly of the opinion it was wrong to fire Royce (for a number of reasons) I do still want Saints to do well, there is a bigger risk this season than last that they won't because not only are we without our inspiration on the pitch but we are also without experience in the coaching team.

Actually I did think we would make the GF!!!!

I believe I said we'll finish in the top 4 and get a final appearance be that CC or GF. You could see the performances coming last year, what we lacked was a win against Huddersfield, Wigan or Wire. But at no point did I think a win against those 3 was impossible, just difficult.

Royce was right to be sacked for a number of reasons, most of which was our abject inability to create, I'lll give him credit where it's due and last year I did not at any point lose faith, but at no point last year did we have such a poor run of game. 2 out of 7 was not good enough and would have got pretty much any saints coach sacked. Although I thought the sacking was due this weekend. But then I thought we would beat bradford with ease and that would get him through to the next 3 games.

Royce was also very dogmatic in his approach and like some other coaches seamed to lack a plan B.

It seams your willing to accept that Royce could have turned around the performances with the same ol same ol. Yet one loss to Wigan and you are quite unwilling to accept that this team (who do have experience) can do anything.

Shaun Mcrea was an assistant for a few years prior to Saints
Hanley had close to zero coaching experience
Millward coached leigh before Saints,

So 3 successful coaches who had no first grade pedigree to talk about. Rush has had more experience than hanley, could be said similar or more than mcrea and less than millward, but millward coached at a lower level, so is being a SL assistant or a youth team coach for a SL side equating to a head coach at a lower league side, i would say not, but you get the point their lack of first grade coaching did not stop them getting results.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:00 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

2 out of 7 was not good enough

We won two, drew one and lost four. Just to make sure you are reporting things accurately.

Sacking him hasn't changed anything though, has it? We were just the same against Wigan as we were against Hull and Bradford, only against Hull and Bradford our defence was better.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:10 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

We won two, drew one and lost four. Just to make sure you are reporting things accurately.

Sacking him hasn't changed anything though, has it? We were just the same against Wigan as we were against Hull and Bradford, only against Hull and Bradford our defence was better.

i'm more and more convinced you're a troll

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:17 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

i'm more and more convinced you're a troll

Hmm. That's because you're incapable of reflection.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:25 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

i'm more and more convinced you're a troll

Trollop would be more appropriate.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:31 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Hmm. That's because you're incapable of reflection.

its you're perceived inability to see both sides of any argument or that there is any position other than yes or no to any subject that leads me to my conclusion. You must be on the wind up most of the time at least

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:40 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

We won two, drew one and lost four. Just to make sure you are reporting things accurately.

Sacking him hasn't changed anything though, has it? We were just the same against Wigan as we were against Hull and Bradford, only against Hull and Bradford our defence was better.

And you have totally discounted any credit for the Leeds and Wire games. Like I said 2 wins from 3. So basically your arguement is based on one result against Wigan and you say I'm fiddling the numbers. Fine 2.5 out of 7 compared to 2 from 3.

If you give this team a chance then by the next wigan game they will have had 7 games same as Royce and KP. Then we can see how the results pan out.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:48 pm  

Benidorm John wrote:

Trollop would be more appropriate.

I just wanted to capture that.

Re: What happens if performances crash this year? : Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:55 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

its you're perceived inability to see both sides of any argument or that there is any position other than yes or no to any subject that leads me to my conclusion. You must be on the wind up most of the time at least

Translation: SaintsFan disagrees with me so she must be a troll. She's also willing to defend her position. Gosh. Definitely a troll.