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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:07 pm  
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Seams like some where waiting for this loss, just so they can say, hey Royce was not the issue. Only an unbeaten run all season would have prevented some people comparing any loss to royce being not a problem.



I'll stick my guns and say what I've said all year. Royce Simmons was a problem but not having a quality experinced halfback is the massive problem.

Finch gave hohaia a master class in halfback play.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:37 pm  
Wigan deserved it but I thought Simmons had come back the way we played.Utterly clueless for most of the game.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:39 pm  
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I'll stick my guns and say what I've said all year. Royce Simmons was a problem but not having a quality experinced halfback is the massive problem.

Finch gave hohaia a master class in halfback play.


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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:42 pm  
Think the general comments here have it about right.

The last two weeks we've had the game sewed up by 20 mins, largely because we'd taken the opposition by surprise and blitzed them (Leeds because we'd been bobbins all season up to that point, and Wire because they expected us to be more circumspect away from home against the league leaders). The scum weren't going to make the same mistake and came out all guns blazing. We seemed to go into our shells somewhat; we certainly didn't meet fire with fire - and we should have been able to boss that weakened wi*an pack. But didn't.

Another key reason for wi*an's dominance was their control of the ruck. Look back over the last two games and we've been able to get the roll on from quick PTB's. The scum slowed us right down - and in that respect, Bentham was dire. They also got right into our faces swiftly (with questionable offside officiating by Bentham again). What made this more pronounced, in the first half at least, was that Bentham pinged Saints for everything.

As has been said, two huge wrong decisions led to wi*an tries. He penalised Perry for giving the crackwhore a tiny slap - Perry having just received an identical tiny slap the second before (to which the crackwhore responded by stropping after Perry).

The penalty count evened up later in the game (where everything seemed to go Saints' way), but the damage had already been done - wi*an had been allowed to grow in confidence, score points, whilst Saints were knackered, slumping in confidence and always having to play catch-up.

Finally, Lomax going off was a huge disruption. I don't agree that Hohaia was shown up - he was fizzing until Lomax went off. Let's also remember that, because of wi*an's enthusiasm & go-forward, our gameplan that's been so succesful these last 2 games was trampled and we had to try to adapt. We failed.

Overall, a huge disappointment - but also a reality check.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:52 pm  
I thought we pummeled you in the forwards particularly in the first half and on the back of that you were constantly kicking from within your own forty, and with our quick backline we easily hoovered those kicks up. Even your indiscipline and errors with ball in hand were a direct consequence of Wigan's tough defense. Lima was an absolute beast out there today.

Wigan ran harder, tackled harder and ultimately wanted it more. And off the back of that platform laid by the forwards the likes of Leuluai and Finch had a field day. I know your blaming the lack of ideas in attack on the absence of Lomax, but even prior to his injury you looked clueless in attack.

As for slowing the ruck down, yes we did it and Saints should have done the same also seeing as Bentham was letting it go. Then again Wigan don't particularly need fast play of the balls to attack from, we'll spread it wide anytime. Saints on the other hand, well everything comes off Roby and with a slow ruck like today he becomes invisible.

Enjoyed the stadium. :thumb:
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:54 pm  
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We seemed to go into our shells somewhat;

That was what Simmons said before he was sacked. That was exactly the problem he identified. Now it's up to Rush and Cunningham to try and figure out how to fix it. The problem never did go away, it was just covered up by a reaction to the sacking and Leeds totally underestimating us.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:55 pm  
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I thought we pummeled you in the forwards particularly in the first half and on the back of that you were constantly kicking from within your own forty, and with our quick backline we easily hoovered those kicks up. Even your indiscipline and errors with ball in hand were a direct consequence of Wigan's tough defense. Lima was an absolute beast out there today.

Wigan ran harder, tackled harder and ultimately wanted it more. And off the back of that platform laid by the forwards the likes of Leuluai and Finch had a field day. I know your blaming the lack of ideas in attack on the absence of Lomax, but even prior to his injury you looked clueless in attack.

As for slowing the ruck down, yes we did it and Saints should have done the same also seeing as Bentham was letting it go. Then again Wigan don't particularly need fast play of the balls to attack from, we'll spread it wide anytime. Saints on the other hand, well everything comes off Roby and with a slow ruck like today he becomes invisible.

Enjoyed the stadium. :thumb:


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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:03 pm  
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I thought we pummeled you in the forwards particularly in the first half and on the back of that you were constantly kicking from within your own forty, and with our quick backline we easily hoovered those kicks up. Even your indiscipline and errors with ball in hand were a direct consequence of Wigan's tough defense. Lima was an absolute beast out there today.

Wigan ran harder, tackled harder and ultimately wanted it more. And off the back of that platform laid by the forwards the likes of Leuluai and Finch had a field day. I know your blaming the lack of ideas in attack on the absence of Lomax, but even prior to his injury you looked clueless in attack.

As for slowing the ruck down, yes we did it and Saints should have done the same also seeing as Bentham was letting it go. Then again Wigan don't particularly need fast play of the balls to attack from, we'll spread it wide anytime. Saints on the other hand, well everything comes off Roby and with a slow ruck like today he becomes invisible.

Enjoyed the stadium. :thumb:


Finch was top class today. He was my man of the match. He was directing everything.

I thought Bentham did crucify us early on but it's no excuse when we was second best in every department.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:05 pm  
Apart from a good 10 minute spell from us Wigan were the far better side playing a good basic game.
Our kicking options were rubbish today, we had a few penalties today instead of kicking to touch to within 5 metres we did the tap and ran the ball in, by the time we got to within 5 metres 2 tackles had been wasted.
We were also too slow getting the ball out wide, but this might be down to Wigoons being marginally offside.
Wigoons played for 80 mins, we were competive for 50 mins...not good enough today.
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Re: Well done Wigan : Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:07 pm  
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I thought we pummeled you in the forwards particularly in the first half and on the back of that you were constantly kicking from within your own forty, and with our quick backline we easily hoovered those kicks up. Even your indiscipline and errors with ball in hand were a direct consequence of Wigan's tough defense. Lima was an absolute beast out there today.

Wigan ran harder, tackled harder and ultimately wanted it more. And off the back of that platform laid by the forwards the likes of Leuluai and Finch had a field day. I know your blaming the lack of ideas in attack on the absence of Lomax, but even prior to his injury you looked clueless in attack.

As for slowing the ruck down, yes we did it and Saints should have done the same also seeing as Bentham was letting it go. Then again Wigan don't particularly need fast play of the balls to attack from, we'll spread it wide anytime. Saints on the other hand, well everything comes off Roby and with a slow ruck like today he becomes invisible.

Enjoyed the stadium. :thumb:



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