Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:54 am  

Don Brennan wrote:

Well the coaches of Australia and N Zealand thought the officiating was cr@p but youll know better no doubt.
Cameron Smith was one of the worst offenders at the play ball. Does stepping off the mark to gain an illegal advantage ring any bells with you?
Your barely disguised dig at one of this countries best players Is getting very boring,troll on.

It's nothing to do with any one player. It's about our (as a game) over reliance on dummy half running, and the fact that as a consequence we do not produce halfbacks who can control a game. I was making the same observations years ago when Mickey Higham was Wigan.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:24 am  

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dubairl wrote:

when was the last time madge moaned? first interview royce did was moan about how quick the ref wants the play of the ball,

no they play to the rules and are the best team in the world for it.

most teams are guilty of be offside.

It was great hardly any scouting to make the only break.

how can you tell by watching in a stand or tv if some one is arrogant.

I hope they are it would be great for england rugby league as union just showed there bankers

The worse thing tonight was stevo and eddie constant moaning (gus and fatty are comedians) about the ref and the ruck and you could hear the speccies moaning well guess what everyone counts auss as the best team in the world and we should raise are game to theres, well dont start moaning when or if it does ever happen.

do any of you watch Nrl or origin? if you do i dont know why you was so surprised to see it being so slow at play of the ball.

Tim Sheens complained at the slowness of the play the ball. I guess it was ok when Oz were lying on, but not when the Kiwi's did it.Having said that I feel that England have a long way to go to match these teams (Hope I'm wrong.







































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Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:34 am  

[quote="wirefox"][*]Tim Sheens complained at the slowness of the play the ball. I guess it was ok when Oz were lying on, but not when the Kiwi's did it.Having said that I feel that England have a long way to go to match these teams (Hope I'm wrong.

its in there game plan so i dont know why he was moaning both teams was practicing the tatic in the warm up. by no means are aus untouchable but they are the team england have to raise to if they want to be acounted for.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:35 am  

There's two arguments to what you say regards slow and quick ptb's.

A slow ptb means like you say, the HB's have to be more creative, you have to pass around a team rather than scoot through but the game sometimes looks a little laboured and too structured and it comes down to who executes their x and y plays the best.

A quick ptb means the defence have to be well drilled, concentrate and most of all, need the fitness of a husky. It's up to the defence to stop the scooting by actually not being lazy, when wire played saints we were not laying on in the tackle yet we were prepared for Roby and his scoots, that's why Lomax and Gaskell were prominent in those games. You can still have quick ptb and neutralize a scooting hooker.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:09 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

There's two arguments to what you say regards slow and quick ptb's.

A slow ptb means like you say, the HB's have to be more creative, you have to pass around a team rather than scoot through but the game sometimes looks a little laboured and too structured and it comes down to who executes their x and y plays the best.

A quick ptb means the defence have to be well drilled, concentrate and most of all, need the fitness of a husky. It's up to the defence to stop the scooting by actually not being lazy, when wire played saints we were not laying on in the tackle yet we were prepared for Roby and his scoots, that's why Lomax and Gaskell were prominent in those games. You can still have quick ptb and neutralize a scooting hooker.

id agree if ref's didn't penalise the markers if the tackled player moved away from hes mark then it would take away a huge advantage of doing it not just say to the tackled player well your shortening the ten meters(bentham said this clear as day light last night). id say you would need to be more fitter and more drilled with the wrestle as you need more players in the tackles and its more draining wrestling than just back pedeling ten meters. scouting just gets very repetative and boring put back moves together or offloading is more prittier to my eye.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:00 am  

dubairl wrote:

completely agree, but saints fans wont be happy because before saints found out that johnny lomax wasn't a full back at orrell st james's and was actually a half back and the best one in hes age in the country at it was there biggest way of attacking and you just have to look at james robys running stat's

I struggled with that one bud. The oxygen to my brain got cut off by my inability to breath reading it

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:15 am  

I must say in regards to Cameron Smith. The accuracy and sweetness of his passes are unreal. Every pass delivered exactly at the right height and pace for the player to run onto. But for me it's his timing of when to hold or when to pass that makes him the player he is. Just a real smart cookie at dummy half. He's certainly the best passer of a ball I've seen for a long time. He never looks flustered or under pressure either. Comes across as a real nonchalant character to me.

As for NZ I thought the two starting props McKendry and Matulino were superb.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:20 am  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

I must say in regards to Cameron Smith. The accuracy and sweetness of his passes are unreal. Every pass delivered exactly at the right height and pace for the player to run onto. But for me it's his timing of when to hold or when to pass that makes him the player he is. Just a real smart cookie at dummy half. He's certainly the best passer of a ball I've seen for a long time. He never looks flustered or under pressure either. Comes across as a real nonchalant character to me.

As for NZ I thought the two starting props McKendry and Matulino were superb.

Matulino and Mckendery are two very good props. Add Blair and packer to thst pack with like Hargreaves, smith, luke, mannering, sika Manu and lulu and moi moi and it's a very tough pack.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:37 am  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

I must say in regards to Cameron Smith. The accuracy and sweetness of his passes are unreal. Every pass delivered exactly at the right height and pace for the player to run onto. But for me it's his timing of when to hold or when to pass that makes him the player he is. Just a real smart cookie at dummy half. He's certainly the best passer of a ball I've seen for a long time. He never looks flustered or under pressure either. Comes across as a real nonchalant character to me.

It does help having options around the ruck for him which is something we don't do over here. There was a huge difference in the way the Aussies and Kiwis hung around the ruck area and supported the play. Often the Kiwis would be like Saints with just on guy running up whilst the others did nothing. The Aussies though would support the player by having four to five players who were mingling around the runner. I'm not talking about running at full speed with him in the same way that Allan Hunte used to try and do that "You should have passed it to me" showboating stuff. I mean, just jogging with the ball carrier and having a general greater awareness of what was going on. You can't buy that sort of intelligence, it has to be coached in because it's game culture.

Re: Australia is the new Wigan : Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:18 pm  

McClennan wrote:

It does help having options around the ruck for him which is something we don't do over here. There was a huge difference in the way the Aussies and Kiwis hung around the ruck area and supported the play. Often the Kiwis would be like Saints with just on guy running up whilst the others did nothing. The Aussies though would support the player by having four to five players who were mingling around the runner. I'm not talking about running at full speed with him in the same way that Allan Hunte used to try and do that "You should have passed it to me" showboating stuff. I mean, just jogging with the ball carrier and having a general greater awareness of what was going on. You can't buy that sort of intelligence, it has to be coached in because it's game culture.

It's just having the ability to follow the ball and gambling there is going to be a break then getting yourself set up for the next play once the man is tackled, unlike our men who are setting their positions for tackle 2 before tackle one has been completed.