Re: Ashurst : Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:25 pm  

With Hale getting a new deal I wouldnt be suprised to see him leave. Steady player who may or may not progress over the next few years.

Re: Ashurst : Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:00 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

In this situation they would sign Ashurst up for another two years and put him out on dual reg if he wasn't going to get into the side.

He'll be too old to go on dual reg next season won't he? 21 is the upper limit and he's the same cohort as Foster and so I would imagine will be 21 before next season.

Why should we stick with Ashurst (or indeed any of the young players) if they are not shining brightly?* We have plenty more young players of talent coming through the ranks. If the coaches feel that the club has given Ashurst enough time to show his ability, and he hasn't shown enough of it, then I'd say it was good sense to let him go and give another young player time to prove HIS worth. That way we will be more likely to end up with the best players on the pitch.

We will have a good balance in the squad next season: some elderly chaps and some kids. That's the balance we need to retain.



*I'm not saying Ashurst isn't shining brightly, just that we shouldn't be sticking with a young player just for the sake of his experience.

Re: Ashurst : Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:38 pm  

As i said a good while back when people was bigging him up to be another gonna be superstar that he just ain't good enough.

Hes a typical saints young forward that we bring thru, he's ok in defence but offers nothing with the ball.

Re: Ashurst : Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:03 pm  

He may not be a worldbeater, but at 21 its too young IMO to make a proper judgement re a forward.
I think you need to give promising fringe players till they are 23 to see if they are likely to make that extra step up.

Certainly we appear to have let Emmitt and Paul Johnson go in error. Both have done sterling jobs in the sides they are currently in.

Joel Tomkins at Wigan is an example of a player who only really started to blossom when he was around 21 years old.

Re: Ashurst : Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:06 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

He may not be a worldbeater, but at 21 its too young IMO to make a proper judgement re a forward.
I think you need to give promising fringe players till they are 23 to see if they are likely to make that extra step up.

Certainly we appear to have let Emmitt and Paul Johnson go in error. Both have done sterling jobs in the sides they are currently in.

Joel Tomkins at Wigan is an example of a player who only really started to blossom when he was around 21 years old.

Joel Tomkins is rubbish. He wouldn't be at Wigan if his rat brother wasn't.

But I agree on Ashurst. He's not amazing at the moment but we badly need depth.

Re: Ashurst : Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:47 am  

Reasonable post from SaintsFan, I think if you look at players in the past that have not set the first team on fire in their first 40 games they have been sent out on lone to get some game time and then be reassessed. I think this is what Matty and Andrew Dixon need.

They have both suffered this year due to a lack of game time. I would much rather they get 20+ games next year for Salford/Wakefield/Quins/Widnes and have guys like Scott Hale and Carl Forster as the 18th man next year. Shaun Maggenis on the other hand I am pretty sure he will play most of the time next year so he does not need to go out on loan.

A year or two away building up experience did Scott Moore a lot of good and I am sure it is what these two boys need.

Re: Ashurst : Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:15 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Joel Tomkins is rubbish. He wouldn't be at Wigan if his rat brother wasn't.

But I agree on Ashurst. He's not amazing at the moment but we badly need depth.

'Joel Tomkins is rubbish'

Yet another bad opinion of yours mate

Re: Ashurst : Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:11 am  

Mr.Side wrote:

'Joel Tomkins is rubbish'

Yet another bad opinion of yours mate

You could always request a ban through your embassy at uncle joes???

Re: Ashurst : Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:24 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

He may not be a worldbeater, but at 21 its too young IMO to make a proper judgement re a forward.
I think you need to give promising fringe players till they are 23 to see if they are likely to make that extra step up.

Certainly we appear to have let Emmitt and Paul Johnson go in error. Both have done sterling jobs in the sides they are currently in.

Joel Tomkins at Wigan is an example of a player who only really started to blossom when he was around 21 years old.

We can't afford to keep all of our promising young forwards up to the age of 23, so we have to keep the most promising and let the less promising go. Tomkins had flaws in his game at 21, and still does, but was always going to be in a different league to Ashurst/Dixon.

Regarding Emmit and Johnson, we should take the fact that young players we've released are doing a decent job in SL as an indication of how improved our youth setup is. We can't keep all of them.

Re: Ashurst : Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:27 am  

Dux wrote:

We can't afford to keep all of our promising young forwards up to the age of 23, so we have to keep the most promising and let the less promising go. Tomkins had flaws in his game at 21, and still does, but was always going to be in a different league to Ashurst/Dixon.

Regarding Emmit and Johnson, we should take the fact that young players we've released are doing a decent job in SL as an indication of how improved our youth setup is. We can't keep all of them.

I said from day one, we should have kept emmit.