Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:43 am  

I couldn't go the game last night and was gutted about it but the comments about pryce is what I've been banging on about now for the part 3 month.

I can't knock lomax or Gaskell but Leon is a different class, he is the organiser that we need and IMO the reason we can't best hudds, wigan and warrington. Players like pryce are the difference in the tight games.

If we can't get Leon on a new deal we have to get the experienced, ball playing halfback that can direct us around the pitch. IMO it's vital that we either sign Leon or replace him from outside the club as lance, lomax, wheeler and Gaskell don't have the that ability to direct us around the pitch.

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:50 am  

St pete wrote:

I couldn't go the game last night and was gutted about it but the comments about pryce is what I've been banging on about now for the part 3 month.

I can't knock lomax or Gaskell but Leon is a different class, he is the organiser that we need and IMO the reason we can't best hudds, wigan and warrington. Players like pryce are the difference in the tight games.

If we can't get Leon on a new deal we have to get the experienced, ball playing halfback that can direct us around the pitch. IMO it's vital that we either sign Leon or replace him from outside the club as lance, lomax, wheeler and Gaskell don't have the that ability to direct us around the pitch.

I dont know much about Lance, but he is a hugely experienced hb, can he really not organise?

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:13 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I dont know much about Lance, but he is a hugely experienced hb, can he really not organise?

He's played most of his career as a utility player, he broke into first grade as a rookie halfback, got switched to centre then has played the last 4 years as a fullback.

He's won the world cup and four nations with the kiwis as a fullback. He's had some outstanding games at fullback against the Aussies.

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:08 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I havent seen the game, but from what I heard on the radio, Eastmond was outstanding from fb, chiming in the line over and over again. If this was the case, why not leave him there, and start Pryce at 6? Problem comes when Wellens is fit again, would you now drop Eastmond for Wellens?

He was run over in defence on the goal line though, which is Eastmond's weakness. So while we benefited from his pace, we lost out from his lack of defensive strength. Swings and roundabouts I guess. But Kyle certainly did look like his old self again last night. Always busy, carrying the ball well. He has amazing control of the ball. Damn shame he's going to union. His skills so fit RL.

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:11 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

He was run over in defence on the goal line though, which is Eastmond's weakness. So while we benefited from his pace, we lost out from his lack of defensive strength. Swings and roundabouts I guess. But Kyle certainly did look like his old self again last night. Always busy, carrying the ball well. He has amazing control of the ball. Damn shame he's going to union. His skills so fit RL.

I agree, even with all that crap this year involving Kyle he's still one of the best young players in rugby league.

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:12 am  

St pete wrote:

I can't knock lomax or Gaskell but Leon is a different class, he is the organiser that we need and IMO the reason we can't best hudds, wigan and warrington. Players like pryce are the difference in the tight games.

The difference Pryce made last night was in his presence. The whole team clicked and calmed down when he came on. Simmons timed his entrance to perfection as we were just starting to crumble: missing tackles, letting them run too much, etc. We needed a steady hand, a thinker and one who had experience. We were a different team in those last 20 minutes. What a difference an experienced halfback makes.

Whether we would have not dropped ball with him on the pitch is another matter though, and it was our dropping ball which lost us the Warrington match. Hudds - we just had too many noobs on the pitch and Wigan pulverised us in the forwards.

Man are our forwards weak. When did James Graham last push in the tackle? He goes down immediately he is tackled. And he always runs sideways. We desperately need aggressive forwards. Bring back Ade! He might not be a forward but he sure gives us all the advantages of one when he's on the pitch!

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:16 am  

I agree with you saintsfan and pryce is very very important to saints. If he goes next year we will be a much weaker team.

Pryce also does alot of work in defence which goes unnoticed. We've missed him big time!

Sir mac, get him signed now!

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:25 am  

For me LMS, Roby and Graham was the good part of our game providing the momentum.
When Sia went off, Shenton looked exposed with Gaskell and Makinson either side of him, Menzies took full advantage of it to set up and score some tries. Wilkin tried to correct the situation but failed because Menzies was too good for him.
I would imagine next week we will be a bit more organized with Pyrce getting more game time, Eastmond to stay at full back next week despite his weakness in defence because his threat joining the attacking line is a major threat to the opposition.

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:27 am  

Judder Man wrote:

For me LMS, Roby and Graham was the good part of our game providing the momentum.
When Sia went off, Shenton looked exposed with Gaskell and Makinson either side of him, Menzies took full advantage of it to set up and score some tries. Wilkin tried to correct the situation but failed because Menzies was too good for him.
I would imagine next week we will be a bit more organized with Pyrce getting more game time, Eastmond to stay at full back next week despite his weakness in defence because his threat joining the attacking line is a major threat to the opposition.

I'd give eastmond a extended run at fullback as he makes are crap backs a hell of alot better!

Re: The good, the bad and the organiser : Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:52 am  

St pete wrote:

I'd give eastmond a extended run at fullback as he makes are crap backs a hell of alot better!

We don't have crap backs.

And last night we missed a fit Wello in defence on our goal line. Eastmond may bring pace and skill into our attack but that is only half the battle and he is vulnerable on the goal line, although I was glad of his effort.