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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:17 pm  
Maybe we've targetted players, offered contracts but they've chosen to go elsewhere?

I must admit, I'm a little concerned about our squad for next season so far. It's currently looking weaker and I think we need 2 or 3 fresh faces, ideally experienced players to give the fans a boost going into the new stadium.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:37 pm  
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Maybe we've targetted players, offered contracts but they've chosen to go elsewhere?

I must admit, I'm a little concerned about our squad for next season so far. It's currently looking weaker and I think we need 2 or 3 fresh faces, ideally experienced players to give the fans a boost going into the new stadium.


We need more than 3 new faces.

We need fullback, winger, centre, halfback and at least one prop.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:37 pm  
Or maybe you are going to increase the contracts of the likes of Gaskell, Lomax, Makinson, Foster etc.

It's a risky business if you go down that route without having some top class experienced players to go with them.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:44 pm  
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We need more than 3 new faces.

We need fullback, winger, centre, halfback and at least one prop.


Probably, but we need to be realistic - no clubs are going to sign 7 good quality players in an off season.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:47 pm  
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Or maybe you are going to increase the contracts of the likes of Gaskell, Lomax, Makinson, Foster etc.

It's a risky business if you go down that route without having some top class experienced players to go with them.


I've no doubt we will go down that route. We will keep saying how well we develop young players and suck all the fans into thinking we are building a new team round youth. In reality it's just the cheap option.

Of the above players, only lomax has a chance of making it but IMO he's totally over hyped.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:55 pm  
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I've no doubt we will go down that route. We will keep saying how well we develop young players and suck all the fans into thinking we are building a new team round youth. In reality it's just the cheap option.

Of the above players, only lomax has a chance of making it but IMO he's totally over hyped.


I keep looking back to 2003/2004 at Wigan.

Briscoe, Hodgson, Aspinwall, Brown, Robinson, Hock, Wild, Tickle and O'Loughlin were all at similar ages to the Saints youngsters in your side now.

They were better players than Saints have, with the possible exception of Lomax, but failed because we didn't have sufficient experience around them.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:21 am  
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I keep looking back to 2003/2004 at Wigan.

Briscoe, Hodgson, Aspinwall, Brown, Robinson, Hock, Wild, Tickle and O'Loughlin were all at similar ages to the Saints youngsters in your side now.

They were better players than Saints have, with the possible exception of Lomax, but failed because we didn't have sufficient experience around them.


I think a lot of saints fans get carried away with our youngsters. IMO only lomax has half a chance of making it to be good player and I have my doubts with him.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:40 am  
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I think a lot of saints fans get carried away with our youngsters. IMO only lomax has half a chance of making it to be good player and I have my doubts with him.

That would be why Foster has just been invited to join the Knights programme. Makinson is looking good on the wing too, for a 19 year old who has played half a dozen games there. We haven't seen a lot of our rookie squad members, as opposed to those in their second full seasons (eg Dixon, Ashurst) so I really don't know how you can make that kind of comment. It's a good thing to be positive about our young players but only time and plenty of first team experience will tell us if they can make the grade.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:15 am  
Just because you say you are spending upto the cap doesnt mean you are doing so.

After all if you tell everyone you are £300k under the cap, then current players will want a pay rise, fans will be querying why you are not spending to the limit, agents for players looking to move to Saints will also be looking for a big pay rise etc.

The only people who truly know if we are upto the cap limit are the RFL and Saints directors.

My personal suspicion is we are operating below it by some way, because it would make business sense to reduce salary cost base at this time. My rationale is that income will be massively reduced this year, and in the immediate years ahead we will have a large expenditure in the stadium to pay for, during a time of economic depression.
Moving to a new stadium makes financial predictions a bit of a gamble for the first year or so, as Saints wont truly know if they will get a boost in crowds attending, and by how much if any they will increase corporate and other income. Only after they have firm data showing what their income levels will be in the new ground, will they be able to properly analyse if they can afford to pay the full salary cap.

Remember the new stadium is supposed to be Saints financial saviour. Therefore Saints need to ensure that this is the case, and not take the view that a new stadium means they have won the lottery; and as a consequence start spending money they havent got.
I think Leigh Centurions may be a fair example of a club that has recently moved into a new stadium, but have since hit financial difficulty, because they assumed they would have money flooding in. The reality was the new stadium also introduced certain costs they may not have had in the past, and which they dont appear to have budgeted for. At the same time they didnt get any meaningful boost in attendances.
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Re: Confirmation we spend up to the cap... : Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:16 am  
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That would be why Foster has just been invited to join the Knights programme. Makinson is looking good on the wing too, for a 19 year old who has played half a dozen games there. We haven't seen a lot of our rookie squad members, as opposed to those in their second full seasons (eg Dixon, Ashurst) so I really don't know how you can make that kind of comment. It's a good thing to be positive about our young players but only time and plenty of first team experience will tell us if they can make the grade.


Before you try and start and heated debate, I'll just say, I hope to god these players turn out to be world beaters but IMHO I don't think they will.

I'm not going to over hype these players or get sucked into the ub saying we building from youth when it's obvious they are going for cheap option.

Anyone with half a brain knows you've got to be very lucky to bring thru a batch of good young players and the likely hood is that your lucky to get two out of say ten that will make a quality player.
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