Re: Fifteen men : Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:11 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

seconded

thirded

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:00 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

There simply has to be a prop in the academy somewhere. How do we field an Under 20s side most weeks if we don't have any?

Forster, but he's two weeks away from recovering from his injury
Frodsham seems to have dropped of the radar in dramatic fashion.

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:29 pm  

Is Frodsham even still at the club? Given the injury crisis it's remarkable that he's not featured for us this season, when he played as many as two years ago?

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:36 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Is Frodsham even still at the club? Given the injury crisis it's remarkable that he's not featured for us this season, when he played as many as two years ago?

He returned to us from Widnes after featuring in only a couple of their games, but has rarely been involved at reserve level since, from what I understand.

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:41 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Forster, but he's two weeks away from recovering from his injury

I met Carl Forster at Ade's ladies night on Saturday. He doesn't look big enough to be a prop!

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:38 pm  

WidnesExile wrote:

Why does Royce insist on playing 15 men. The last three games he has had Dixon/Ashurst and Eastmond on the bench and not brought them on until the 65+ minute. Meanwhile our forwards are knackered. Intact it was 14 men tonight due to biscuit bones Perry, he's gonna burn them out!

Magennis is being played like a prop so why doesn't Royce just stick with him as back up and let Dixon and Ashurst go out on loan or dual registration
The way he is rotating Magennis/Dixon and Ashurst is not beneficial for the club or the younster, no wonder they are going backward in there development. He plays them week about and then only plays them for 15 - 20 minutes (unless he has an injury such as Perrys on Friday night)
They need more game time than 15-20 minutes once a fortnight.
Wigan have developed a more structured approach which seems to pay off. All the players breaking into the first team such as Mossop, Farrell, Tuson, J Tomkins all had loan spells or dual registration, Wigan also have a lot of youngster like Mellor, Crosby, Tomkins etc either on loan or dual registered this year. In the past year I can only remember Frodsham and Armstrong on loan or dual registered and Armstrong has not been available for Leigh in recent weeks (although he has not played 1st team or reserves - as the reserves haven’t had a game.)

I for one just do not understand the reasoning behind this, he could put anyone from the academy on the bench if they only had to play such a small amount of time , perhaps he has a hidden agenda

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:47 pm  

What about the "round the back" offload from Magennis!? He does show glimpses of being a bit more special than the other two. I agree, once Clough is back, get them out playing 80 mins a week. Magennis will get 3 x as much minutes for saints and everyone should improve (or show themselves not capable).

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:55 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

What about the "round the back" offload from Magennis!? He does show glimpses of being a bit more special than the other two. I agree, once Clough is back, get them out playing 80 mins a week. Magennis will get 3 x as much minutes for saints and everyone should improve (or show themselves not capable).

I'd agree with this, considering Ashurst and Dixon have had effectively a year longer at this level than Magennis, I think he's already ahead of them. I really dont see their future at saints

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:05 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

What about the "round the back" offload from Magennis!? He does show glimpses of being a bit more special than the other two. I agree, once Clough is back, get them out playing 80 mins a week. Magennis will get 3 x as much minutes for saints and everyone should improve (or show themselves not capable).

For every good thing he does he will make more errors so a bit of a liabilty -having watched him at academy and reserve level, but as I stated he is being played as a prop and that is where we are deficient at the moment. I would have Dixon any day of the week at second row or loose.
Magennis will not 3x more minutes as when we get Clough, Perry,LMS, Wheeler back (Sia back in the pack) he will be 18th man probably and play in the reserves.
If we can get Dixon and Ashurst out on dual registration or loan then they can prove all you doubters wrong. Thats if Royce can make up his mind or perhaps he has his own agenda.

Re: Fifteen men : Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:24 pm  

RC64 wrote:

If we can get Dixon and Ashurst out on dual registration or loan then they can prove all you doubters wrong. Thats if Royce can make up his mind or perhaps he has his own agenda.

Its not a conspiracy, they have now had two years to prove themselves, and they havn't. Simple.