Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:52 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Simply outstanding tonight. Sia won us the game, stopping Phelps scoring a certain try by snapping him in half and then teeing up the Mako shark with some sterling centre play.

The more I see the Meli/Sia centre combo the more I like it. Poor Turner got to Meli everytime but could do nothing about the big man scoring. He's doing really well at centre and were it not for a few patted down passes Foster would have had a ton tonight.

The Island boys are just fabulous for us at the moment. TP was like a tank again tonight.

In future we should go for big Island boys instead of Australian's.

Soliola meli combination definitely looks better than a shenton combo. We don't appear to miss him at all, soliola is a better centre, and we have enough second rowers to cover his change of position.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:19 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

I know he mentioned it. But rugby players say things in the press they may not mean. I believe King wanted to be a one club man here and in Aus. Well a nice contract from the bunnies and a reason to return home and he is now a two club man.

Situations change and I can't see a reason TP would stay at Saints over a nice Wire contract if it was on the table; other than loyalty (which has no place in the business of sport).

I am unsure of my opinion. If it was anyone other than Waterhouse I would assume it was TP's decision and not Wires. I just don't know know.

Terrible trolling. As if Waterhouse is some kind of superhuman monster. He won't be better than Puletua, I'll guarantee that. If he's as good you'll do well. And with a salary cap system Puletua can't earn more from Warrington than he can at Saints. He will also be playing at a better stadium in front of more people and with better training facilities.

Now tell me again why Warrington is so much better?

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:48 pm  

Ok did not see or hear the match last night, so how did it go. The score line during the game made us look pretty solid. But scorelines are not always indicative.

I did say there would be 12 points in the game. So not that far off. And Royce got a defence that kept the opposition below that 16 points he mentioned at the start of the year.

He was also well pleased in his statement with the turn around from Gaskell.

So what are your thoughts. Were we comfortable, solid, stunning????

Can we get a run together for the end of the season.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:54 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Ok did not see or hear the match last night, so how did it go. The score line during the game made us look pretty solid. But scorelines are not always indicative.

I did say there would be 12 points in the game. So not that far off. And Royce got a defence that kept the opposition below that 16 points he mentioned at the start of the year.

He was also well pleased in his statement with the turn around from Gaskell.

So what are your thoughts. Were we comfortable, solid, stunning????

Can we get a run together for the end of the season.

We were terrible. There were large chunks of the game where we were dominated in the pack, which was not helped by us only having 15 players and Josh Perry getting injured.

Whenever we did reach the half way line we knocked on. Roby was terrible in this regard, every offload or pass he attempted ended up a knock on. Hull were no better mind, knocking on whenever they got the field position to take control of the game.

TP, Sia, Meli and Moore did well for me.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:55 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

So what are your thoughts. Were we comfortable, solid, stunning????

Honestly? We were terrible. It's just that Hull were more terrible than us. It was a terrible match to watch. Imagine defence hanging back, dropped ball, flat attack (no dummy runners, no offloads, poor backing up), Meli and Foster misfiring (again) and you have the match.

But that last minute try by Hull, although a beauty in itself and undoubtedly the best of the match from either side, could have been stopped before it got going had we actually been awake. Jeez, Foster missed two conversions on the trot. When has that happened during his time as our goal kicker? Had Hull been in the form they were in at the KC, we would not have won the match, of that I am quite certain.

However, we did win and for that I am grateful. I'd now like our coach to stop making excuses and start ensuring that we perform to our potential because clearly we are not doing that. Most of the people I sat with last night were wishing our u20s back again as there was more fiestiness in the team back then and better ball control.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:24 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Terrible trolling. As if Waterhouse is some kind of superhuman monster. He won't be better than Puletua, I'll guarantee that. If he's as good you'll do well. And with a salary cap system Puletua can't earn more from Warrington than he can at Saints. He will also be playing at a better stadium in front of more people and with better training facilities.

Now tell me again why Warrington is so much better?

It isn't a troll. It is a genuine question. With Matt king leaving there would be a massive packet for TP if he came to Wire (who have won more while he has been in super league than Saints) and will most likely be more than Saints can offer. Especially having biscuits such as Perry in the team.

Waterhouse is considered better than TP. We will see how well Trent does and there is no guarantee that he will be as good as he has been in the NRL but if he is then he will undoubtedly put more in than TP. Saying that I mean that TP is good at the line against Myler but has been anonymous during the tough spots recently. Puts in the hard yards but rarely in his own half (from what I have seen: I haven't seen as much as some Saints fans. I have probably been more Saints games than a lot of their fans)

If I answered why I think Wire is better there will be a stupid tit for tat. How about you tell me why TP would stay at saints (4th) instead of current challenge cup holders and top of the league WArrington (who would pay him more) instead of cause they were the only top 4/5 team offering please.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:50 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

Saying that I mean that TP is good at the line against Myler but has been anonymous during the tough spots recently.

He was giving it large at Warrington and was fundamental to our game against Hull. Stop talking out of your arris.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:27 pm  

jdrocket wrote:

Saying that I mean that TP is good at the line against Myler but has been anonymous during the tough spots recently. Puts in the hard yards but rarely in his own half (from what I have seen: I haven't seen as much as some Saints fans. I have probably been more Saints games than a lot of their fans)

The above is total garbage.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:42 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

The above is total garbage.

I unfortunately couldn't get to the Hull game. However, I gave a balanced view of him in the many performances I have seen. I would like him at Warrington but he hasn't been amazing from what I have seen. If we had signed him I would have been optimistic, though.

I would be interested in what order you *edit* ranked your forwards. And even more so where you ranked him out of the forwards in super league.

However, my point was not about the quality of TP; we can argue about that all day. My question pertained to why TP wouldn't sign at Wire and instead stayed at Sts.

Re: Meli, Sia and TP : Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:43 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

In future we should go for big Island boys instead of Australian's.

Agreed. Maurie was another good example. There would appear to be a good number playing RU that seem to be ideal for RL - especially in the backs where the transition is less of a problem. I suspect the salaries may be a little less as well. They also seem to like the lifestyle offered by Eccleston.