Re: Super League All time Table : Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:41 pm  

Ski wrote:

Isn't it lovely how Wire fans have managed to make Wigan and Saints fans unite under some sort of respectful umberella.

Wire should head out to the Gaza Strip next.

I was just thinking about that,
i have started to have a geniune dislike for wire fans (not all of them), its not because of all the super leagues they have won , its because they have won 2 trophies in god knows how many years and all of a sudden they are the best team to grace the planet with in the last 20 years.

If in 15-20 years they have eclipsed Saints, Wigan, Leeds and bradford in success then i will hold my hands up and say im wrong but until then they are not even close to have a peroid where they can dominate/

Re: Super League All time Table : Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:49 pm  

Clan-destine wrote:

I was just thinking about that,
i have started to have a geniune dislike for wire fans (not all of them), its not because of all the super leagues they have won , its because they have won 2 trophies in god knows how many years and all of a sudden they are the best team to grace the planet with in the last 20 years.

If in 15-20 years they have eclipsed Saints, Wigan, Leeds and bradford in success then i will hold my hands up and say im wrong but until then they are not even close to have a peroid where they can dominate/

Bah, they're just trolls who have found something they know will get a bite.

Re: Super League All time Table : Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:38 pm  

Well the circle turns and currently we are on a slight down slide, but hopefully our wheel turns alot faster than that of the Wire and we will not spend the next 50 years wandering the wilderness. As it is nothing has been won yet and as far as the CC goes, this next round Wire do have a really tough draw. So pesky little side called Wigan, I've heard they are rather good to at the moment. Although due to my GF amnesia syndrome I can't quite recall why they are seen as so good.

Re: Super League All time Table : Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:23 pm  

Wigan must be above Leeds now according to that table, but Leeds have one twice as many title's. Which proves one thing - Warrington are the best team in the NRL.

Re: Super League All time Table : Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:03 am  

I think a Northern Union/Rugby League all time table would be far more relavent/appropriate

Re: Super League All time Table : Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:17 am  

the flying biscuit wrote:

yeah keep it neat lads just the last 15 years...........if we went back a bit further it would get all messy working out the points from the times you were in the lower leagues.......


anyway I'm just off to make a table of trophy winners since 2009....

goodnight and god bless

Yet more wire fans getting hyper, after 13 years of "groundhog day" they have slipped into " back to the future" mode. Hope they are ready for the big fall in the play offs, would there fans be able to handle it.

Re: Super League All time Table : Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:37 am  

No one's denying Warrington have a good team and are in with a shout of the championship its just that some of their fans are acting like teenagers who've just discovered sex and think they've invented it.

Re: Super League All time Table : Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:48 am  

Congrats. I don't think there is anything shocking about this.

It's like saying who has sold more records Cliff Richards or Fleet Foxes.

One was on top for ages and appears to have left the glory days behind them and the other is infinitely more talented now and will go on to better things. (Wire are the infinitely more talented one in the analogy)

In all seriousness Saints had a dominant period when Wire were finding their feet (poor excuse... we'll say struggling) and I don't think any Wire could deny that. As I said congratulations but there is no shock there.

I am much more interested in the future. I think Wire will do well this season and if not... Qui sera

Re: Super League All time Table : Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:16 am  

jdrocket wrote:

I am much more interested in the future. I think Wire will do well this season and if not... Qui sera

The future signs are that Wires success could be short lived. For the 2012 season wire will have 10 to 11 players over the age of 30, saints have released around 2 players a season when this situation arises.

So what will wire do, will they release 5 or 6 players a season which would mean the team being unstable when you add the usual injuries. In 2 years they will probably have to replace Briers, Monah M, Monah J, Morley, Carvell, Westwood, Woody, Clarky, Solomona, Hodgson, Waterhouse etc, and replace these players up to the same standard to carry on any future success.
Leeds are a similar example now where they have around 5 players not up to scratch consistently, whereas saints are on the upward side of transition and still challenging that all all important top 4 status like they have done for the last 15 superleague years.

We already know the Warrington Youth service area is one of the worse for development progression, with young players being snapped up by wigan and St helens amateur feeder clubs. Maybe the wire will find a couple of players playing in the Warrington Basketball League.

Re: Super League All time Table : Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:41 am  

Well a lot of that was tosh. So much so that I think may struggle to address all the mistakes you have made.

Judder Man wrote:

The future signs are that Wires success could be short lived. For the 2012 season wire will have 10 to 11 players over the age of 30, saints have released around 2 players a season when this situation arises.

There is no reason to suggest that being over thirty is a bad thing, firstly! Hodgo is one of the best fullbacks in the league (if not the best) and he is over thirty. Same with Monas. I personally don't know how many Wire will be looking to replace in two years and I certainly doubt it will be the number you have stated. (I am assuming they are the ones mentioned further in the post) Some players will certainly be released. Solo, Moz and Hodgeson being the most notable players and probably Briers. However, no one knows the performance that players just turning thirty will have on the team. If I asked you who has provided the most to their team this year; Moz or Perry? the answer is plain, Moz, and he is very close to retirement.

So what will wire do, will they release 5 or 6 players a season which would mean the team being unstable when you add the usual injuries.

They won't. That is one of the stupidest things I have heard. I think the most to go in one year will be three. However, I doubt Tony Smith sees that many going at once.

In 2 years they will probably have to replace Briers, Monah M, Monah J, Morley, Carvell, Westwood, Woody, Clarky, Solomona, Hodgson, Waterhouse etc, and replace these players up to the same standard to carry on any future success.

Having already mentioned that up to Moz's age, age is just a number, I will instead just ell you who will most likely still be good enough in two years.

Micheal Monaz (just turned 31) will be 33 then
Joel Monaghan (29)
CArvell (just tuerned 30) will be 32 (I may stop doing simple maths for you here)
Westwood (29)
Wood (almost 30)
Waterhouse (31)

I certainly believe that these will still be good enough. If not they can be moved on as their contracts expire around this time. So far Wire will have lost 5 of those mentioned and Clarke hasn't played for months (excluding last night) so call that four. That would equate to, by the start of the 2013 season, 2 players going a season.
Additionally, We must remember that there will also be additional players brought in, naturally, and there will obviously be the likes of Ben Evans, Gaz O', Rhys Evans, Rhys Williams, Cooper, LAithwaite and many more that are good enough to dismantle super league teams.

Leeds are a similar example now where they have around 5 players not up to scratch consistently, whereas saints are on the upward side of transition and still challenging that all all important top 4 status like they have done for the last 15 superleague years.

I won't go too far into the area of Stains and Stains' team for nest year but losing Graham, maybe Pryce, Eastmond (regardless of what you say about his current attitude) is going to dent Stains and they haven't invested amzingly so far. For example, bought a fullback for the halves. The youth aren't as good as one would hope. Gaskell with never be a saints half on what I have seen this year. IT is too late for it to be stage fright. Although Lomax is looking to have some potential.

We already know the Warrington Youth service area is one of the worse for development progression, with young players being snapped up by wigan and St helens amateur feeder clubs. Maybe the wire will find a couple of players playing in the Warrington Basketball League.

This does have tinges of truth. In the past, well before Cullen, this was the case and no one could deny that. However, I think we need only look at the youth tables to prove that, even if saints take their boys on holiday or offer them more money, Warrington aren't exactly struggling for youth.

Warrington certainly don't have the reputable clubs such as St Pats or Blackbrooks but we are doing okay.

In summary, we will miss losing Briers and Hodgeson in the next few years. However, that is no the end of Wire's chances, as much as you'd like to think it. Wire still have many irons in the fire and the acquisition of a big Aussie signing such as Waterhouse, as well as the successful youth teams, suggests the future is rosy for a Warringtonian.

Oh and I am glad you have stopped citing Bridge as one of the old fogeys at Wire.