Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:09 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

I'll make a judgement at the end of the year. He's had the benefit of Potter blooding a lot of the kids in the previous two years and not having to deal with a number of club legends being past it, they've made the trials he's had to deal with easier.

Potter had the past it club legends to lean on in times of trouble. Potter might have bloodied a few kids, but Simmons has integrated them - and a lot more of them too (without the legends to lean on).

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:17 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

:lol:

Potter had the past it club legends to lean on in times of trouble. Potter might have bloodied a few kids, but Simmons has integrated them - and a lot more of them too (without the legends to lean on).

The likes of Long and Cunningham were not good enough in their last years, Cunningham had a few high spots (last try at KR) but on the whole was pretty average by that point. Simmons only has Wellens at that stage currently.

Who has Simmons brought into the team that was not fairly regular in the first team under Potter? Gaskell and Makinson. And he was forced into using both.

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:31 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

The likes of Long and Cunningham were not good enough in their last years, Cunningham had a few high spots (last try at KR) but on the whole was pretty average by that point. Simmons only has Wellens at that stage currently.

We wouldn't have gotten to the Grand Final without Cunningham. He visibly lifted the team whenever he came on.

Who has Simmons brought into the team that was not fairly regular in the first team under Potter? Gaskell and Makinson. And he was forced into using both.

He has brought more than Gaskell and Makinson into the team! How many u20s have had debuts this season? Four? At least. And Potter was also forced into playing some youngsters. We had an injury crisis last season too, just in case you have forgotten. But the most notable difference has been in the halves. Potter played Gaskell for one full match (which we lost) plus half of another match. He then reverted to Wilkin and apart from the playoffs when he brought Smith back (thanks to Purtill) he played Wilkin and Moore in the halves during the absence of Pryce and Eastmond. Simmons reverted to Wilkin only when we had run out of halves altogether. Simmons is not using Wilkin in the halves now. He's using young halfbacks.

Anyway, this is a thread about Royce Simmons. I won't be arguing about this one any further as I think Simmons has been doing a terrific job and don't want to see a thread about him derailed by a stupid argument over Potter.

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:46 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He has brought more than Gaskell and Makinson into the team! How many u20s have had debuts this season? Four? At least.

I asked you. Why don't you answer, given your confidence?

And Potter was also forced into playing some youngsters. We had an injury crisis last season too, just in case you have forgotten.

He did and we did, where have I said otherwise?

But the most notable difference has been in the halves. Potter played Gaskell for one full match (which we lost) plus half of another match.

And showed that he wasn't ready at that time.

He then reverted to Wilkin and apart from the playoffs when he brought Smith back (thanks to Purtill) he played Wilkin and Moore in the halves during the absence of Pryce and Eastmond. Simmons reverted to Wilkin only when we had run out of halves altogether. Simmons is not using Wilkin in the halves now. He's using young halfbacks.

Who else did Potter have to pick bar Wilkin and Moore?

Anyway, this is a thread about Royce Simmons. I won't be arguing about this one any further as I think Simmons has been doing a terrific job and don't want to see a thread about him derailed by a stupid argument over Potter.

He's doing a decent job so far, but judgement can only really be made at the end of the season.

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:38 pm  

Royce needs to beat Wigun to be appreciated more in St Helens

2 weeks to begin his master plan

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:23 pm  

Rommel wrote:

Royce needs to beat Wigun to be appreciated more in St Helens

2 weeks to begin his master plan

I think he's doing a decent enough job but we're 4(?) games in against the challengers (Wigan/Wire/Hudds) and haven't won one yet.

Next few weeks will be crucial. I definitely like him though and he's had a lot to deal with.

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:13 pm  

Sizzler

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:43 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think he's doing a decent enough job but we're 4(?) games in against the challengers (Wigan/Wire/Hudds) and haven't won one yet.

Next few weeks will be crucial. I definitely like him though and he's had a lot to deal with.

He's very good

Re: Royce Simmons appreciation thread : Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:38 am  

Mick Potter - Trophies = 0 Defeats to Warrington = 0%
Royston Simmons - Trophies = 0 Defeats to Warrington = 100%

Sack him now and get Slick back.