Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:37 pm  

Dux wrote:

You've got to take it case by case, though. I'm sure Makinson is well aware that mistakes are unacceptable (or undesirable, at least - even James Graham makes mistakes, after all). Indeed, while I thought he had a good game, Makinson's body language is that of a young player who is still a little unsure of himself at the top level - if that's the case what he needs is to be encouraged to believe in himself, not ranted at by one of the most high profile players at the club.

I'm not sure on the shouting at players for making mistakes that James Graham is doing this year, that is not the actions of a great captain.

A good captain should know how each player responds, some need a good telling off where some need a arm round them or pat on the back and told to keep your chin up. I think Graham only knows one way.

Your correct, James Graham ain't perfect and does make mistakes like at hull when his mistakes cost us two tries.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:57 pm  

Gerry Mander wrote:

If it was the try from the scrum then saints only packed 5 in and left shenton and makinson
stranded with a 4 on 2.

Not much either of them can do about that.

Graham can go a bit OTT sometimes. He's an angry young man. Needs to be a bit more
selective. Wellens doesn't mince his words and gives a bol***king when necessary but is also supportive.

Thought makinson did well. Neither he or shenton had any decent ball to run.
That's the price of having Sia in the SR. Hopefully now Gaskell is back he can get them
some decent ball to work with.

Yes that was the try,theres not much the kid could of done with those numbers against him yet he got Jammer in his face screaming blue murder at him.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:59 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

These young players are getting paid to do a job, if one makes a mistake, they need to know its not acceptable, just my opinion

So by that reasoning when a senoir pro makes a mistake they should get double the screaming at.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:06 pm  

Saint Simon wrote:

These young players are getting paid to do a job, if one makes a mistake, they need to know its not acceptable, just my opinion

It don't matter if they getting paid or not, shouting at players don't help anyone.

Each player needs to be treated different as each player reacts to different ways. Shouting and balling at some players knocks their confidence and makes them go into the shell and stops them doing their normal game.

Yet, shouting at some players gets a good reaction out of them, they think stuff this I'll show him.

I'm not sure jammer knows the difference but shouting at young lads will knock their confidence.

I'm talking from being a captain nearly all my life from under 10s until I was 32.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:10 pm  

I recall so far this year Jammer has turned his back on play ( a basic schoolboy error that you would expect a gb international never to do ) and been exposed,left big holes in defence that have been exploited,passed when he should of just driven the ball in and im sure a few other mistakes yet no one has been in his face screaming at him.Players naturally make mistakes and the Wello approach of encouragement is the way to go.Screaming at a young kid who has just had to try and defend an overlap really wont help the kid at all.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:14 pm  

So we are all taking the lipreading skills of a Warrington supporter as gospel here, are we? Oh dear.

I watched the game back after the match. I see Jammer shouting, as he usually does. As, indeed, most of them do because they can't be heard otherwise. We don't know what he said to whom, no idea in fact. He could have been challenging him, cajoling him or encouraging him/communicating in a shouty voice because of the noise.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:20 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So we are all taking the lipreading skills of a Warrington supporter as gospel here, are we? Oh dear.

I watched the game back after the match. I see Jammer shouting, as he usually does. As, indeed, most of them do because they can't be heard otherwise. We don't know what he said to whom, no idea in fact. He could have been challenging him, cajoling him or encouraging him/communicating in a shouty voice because of the noise.

You can clearly see Wilkin with a really annoyed look on his face "yelling who are you eh ?" at Jammer after Wilkin lost the ball ( he had it knocked out just to add insult to injury ) you dont need to be an expert in body language to see he was really pee'd off with Jammer.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:40 pm  

brook40 wrote:

You can clearly see Wilkin with a really annoyed look on his face "yelling who are you eh ?" at Jammer after Wilkin lost the ball ( he had it knocked out just to add insult to injury ) you dont need to be an expert in body language to see he was really pee'd off with Jammer.

Or just indulging in banter.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:48 pm  

Banter tends not to be done with bulging eye and an aggresive face,more smiles and laughs

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:54 pm  

brook40 wrote:

Banter tends not to be done with bulging eye and an aggresive face,more smiles and laughs

But you're talking about Jammer here. He does everything with a bulging eye and an aggressive face. I'm sure he dropped out of his mother's womb looking like that!

You have no idea what was said; none of us do. I just think it's amusing how Saints fans have taken on board the OP's assumptions.