Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 6:51 pm  

Southport Saint wrote:

I thought Laffranchi was coming over on an Italian passport, if he is he won`t count on any quotas.

If he's an Italian citizen then it would be illegal to count him on any quotas I would think.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 7:21 pm  

I think this amply demonstrates that....nobody actually knows. It's the most ludicrous set of 'rules' in any sport, surely.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 8:01 pm  

Southport Saint wrote:

I thought Laffranchi was coming over on an Italian passport, if he is he won`t count on any quotas.

SaintsFan wrote:

If he's an Italian citizen then it would be illegal to count him on any quotas I would think.

Laffranchi doesn't count on the old style, nationality based quota. He does count on the new non-fed system, which is based not on your nationality but on where you learned your trade, and was brought in precisely to get round the problem of overseas players getting in on an EU or Kolpak passport.

Allez wrote:

I think this amply demonstrates that....nobody actually knows. It's the most ludicrous set of 'rules' in any sport, surely.

It's as I've outlined above, trust me. It's hopelessly complicated at the moment, but only because the RFL have had to grant exemptions to a host of players at the outset in order to cover their backs legally. Once those exemptions run out it should work fine and be a straightforward case of 5 overseas trained players, and that's it.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 8:24 pm  

So can we still sign waterhouse or hayne ?

Just a simple yes or no will do.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 8:51 pm  

The answer is no

The orginal poster omitted Puletua from the quota list

If the current players are re-contracted the 5 in each group would be

Quota Non-Fed
Puletua Puletua
Soliola Soliola
Perry Perry
Hoihia Hoihia
Flannery Laffranchi


Meli is Kolpak and Federation Trained (dispensated)

If Flannery wasn't re-contracted a Quota could be brought in but he would need to be a Federation Trained player (likely with a dispensation like for instance Glenn Morrison). Any Kolpak player would also need to be Federation Trained (example Solomona)

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 8:53 pm  

Sorry the space between both columns has disappeared

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 8:58 pm  

So it looks more like saints was after either laffranchi or waterhouse and not both or waterhouse was a fall back if TP didn't sign.

Seems strange tho that saints said laffranchi wasn't counted as a overseas player.

If true that flannery is exempt and we can resign him then if we've got the cap space then I'd keep him.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 9:16 pm  

St Pete

What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder.

However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player.

You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 9:19 pm  

markjohn wrote:

The answer is no

The orginal poster omitted Puletua from the quota list

If the current players are re-contracted the 5 in each group would be

Quota Non-Fed
Puletua Puletua
Soliola Soliola
Perry Perry
Hoihia Hoihia
Flannery Laffranchi


Meli is Kolpak and Federation Trained (dispensated)

If Flannery wasn't re-contracted a Quota could be brought in but he would need to be a Federation Trained player (likely with a dispensation like for instance Glenn Morrison). Any Kolpak player would also need to be Federation Trained (example Solomona)

Puletua has a Samoan passport so is non-quota but he is still on the non fed list as he only signed in 2009.

I do think we are full up though. Unless there is something odd about Laffranchi's deal of which we are unaware of. We'll see over the next few weeks, Andy Wilson last night thought that both deals were still on (TP and Trent) but he might not have thought about our quota when he said it.

Re: Chris Flannery : Tue May 10, 2011 9:24 pm  

markjohn wrote: St Pete What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder. However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player. You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned. http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/809 It's says he's off quota. Take that as you please.

markjohn wrote: St Pete What they did say was that Laffranchi would not count on the Quota (overseas quota) as he was an Italian passport holder. However he does count as a Non-Federated Trained player. You are right that the mention of Waterhouse was dependant on Puletua not being resigned. http://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/809 It's says he's off quota. Take that as you please.