Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:19 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

24. Tom Armstrong,
2. Ade Gardner, 3. Michael Shenton,
22. Jamie Foster, 5. Francis Meli,
7. Kyle Eastmond, 27. Nathan Ashe,

8. Josh Perry, 9. James Roby, 10. James Graham,
4. Sia Soliola, 12. Jon Wilkin,
11. Tony Puletua,

15. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 18. Matty Ashurst, 19. Andrew Dixon, 21. Shaun Magennis,

That's a fairly decent looking team.

You need an outside back on the bench

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:20 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

Spoke to somebody I know in the medical team today and according to him, Perry will play. Kyle is the uncertainty.

No surprise about Kyle, given that according to Simmons on Saturday Kyle couldn't complete 10 hard minutes on a treadmill!

Oh well. I hope the lads give it their all, anyway!

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:21 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

That's a fairly decent looking team.

Except Matty Ashurst and Andrew Dixon don't seem to know what the word defence means!

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:22 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

No surprise about Kyle, given that according to Simmons on Saturday Kyle couldn't complete 10 hard minutes on a treadmill!

Oh well. I hope the lads give it their all, anyway!

He did however say that it was 'promising'. So who knows, I guess we'll find out on Monday!

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:25 pm  

SaintsFan wrote: Except Matty Ashurst and Andrew Dixon don't seem to know what the word defence means! Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway.

SaintsFan wrote: Except Matty Ashurst and Andrew Dixon don't seem to know what the word defence means! Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway.

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:28 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote: Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway. Dixon and ashurst are not good enough IMO. I got slated on here a while back for saying that both will be playing for teams like Salford or Leigh in next few years and i still stand by what I said.

BackrowSaint wrote: Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway. Dixon and ashurst are not good enough IMO. I got slated on here a while back for saying that both will be playing for teams like Salford or Leigh in next few years and i still stand by what I said.

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:29 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote: Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway. Especially young, fit backrowers! They should be tackling their balls off. I would love to know what a missed tackle actually is. Is it an unsuccessful touch of a player (one of those touch rugby swipes), taking a player down but not held or an occasion when the player wasn't actually reached?

BackrowSaint wrote: Matty Ashurst doesn't seem to bad 18 tackles a game with only 2 missed tackles. 5 appearances. Andrew Dixon averaging 15 tackles a game with 4 missed tackles. 4 appearances. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Neither are fantastic though, not for a back rower anyway. Especially young, fit backrowers! They should be tackling their balls off. I would love to know what a missed tackle actually is. Is it an unsuccessful touch of a player (one of those touch rugby swipes), taking a player down but not held or an occasion when the player wasn't actually reached?

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:31 pm  

St pete wrote:

Dixon and ashurst are not good enough IMO. I got slated on here a while back for saying that both will be playing for teams like Salford or Leigh in next few years and i still stand by what I said.

I agree with you Pete, I can't see either having a long term career at Saints, either playing in lower Super League or slipping down into NL1.

Magennis is the more likely out of the 3 to push on, but still has a lot to prove himself.

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:33 pm  

St pete wrote:

Dixon and ashurst are not good enough IMO. I got slated on here a while back for saying that both will be playing for teams like Salford or Leigh in next few years and i still stand by what I said.

Dixon worked hard last season although Ashurst got left behind. Simmons didn't play either of them until he had no senior staff left, which perhaps suggests that he isn't overly impressed with them himself. With stats like those quoted, they are poor if we are looking at competing for top honours this season. However, just now we don't have much choice but to play them. I just hope Simmons doesn't put them on the pitch at the same time!

Magennis needs to learn how to hold on to the ball. At every match so far he has dropped the ball at least once, giving away possession at vital times. But other than that he seems to be doing ok given his limited first grade experience and having to play with broken nose/recovering dislocated finger/leg hanging off/name your injury.

Re: 19 man squad for Hull announced : Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:34 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

I agree with you Pete, I can't see either having a long term career at Saints, either playing in lower Super League or slipping down into NL1.

Magennis is the more likely out of the 3 to push on, but still has a lot to prove himself.

Magennis has more about him and has a off load game. Dixon and ashurst don't really bring anything and have nothing that sticks out.

To be fair, Dixon had a good spell last year before he got injured. Ashurst has not shown me anything to suggest he will do well at super league level.