Re: getting rid of eastmond : Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:53 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I hope he does. Despite not handling his move well at all he is still unquestionably the most talented scrum half England has produced in at least 15 years and we're not likely to ever see him reach his potential. He could have been a true great in our game.

Doesn't attack the line etc? Doesn't equal most talented in my world.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:01 pm  

St pete wrote:

Most talented scrumhalf englands produced in last 15 years! Are you being serious?

I agree he's got huge potential but potential is all he's got and we will never know just how good he could be.

He's not in the same league as Sean long or bobbie goulding. He's not even as good as rob burrow!

I was going to say bobby goulding, but then I realised that he said 15 years and now I just feel old.

The Kyle that opened the season last year had much more to his game than Long did at the same age, and arguabley more than Burrow does now.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:31 pm  

Just a question, who was the last top class scrum half that Saints produced?

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:37 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Just a question, who was the last top class scrum half that Saints produced?

Watch out. Rogues is about. Sniffing out an opportunity to derail a thread.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:41 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Just a question, who was the last top class scrum half that Saints produced?

Kyle Eastmond.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:23 pm  

St pete wrote:

Most talented scrumhalf englands produced in last 15 years! Are you being serious?

I agree he's got huge potential but potential is all he's got and we will never know just how good he could be.

He's not in the same league as Sean long or bobbie goulding. He's not even as good as rob burrow!

He's got a better passing and kicking game than Long at this stage in his career (and possibly has now, especially passing), he's got a better running game than Goulding ever had even now in his early years. He's a better passer and kicker than Burrow.

What he hasn't got is the experience all the other three had/have to enable him to make the right decision at the right time.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:11 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Just a question, who was the last top class scrum half that Saints produced?

Kyle Eastmond, and before that, Sean Long. Playing a young lad out of position and then sodding him off to Widnes in exchange for an overhyped prop does not equal 'producing' in anyone's world (except those who tout Wigan supporting kids from the age of 3 as future England stars, of course).

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:18 pm  

Smurf wrote:

Kyle Eastmond, and before that, Sean Long. Playing a young lad out of position and then sodding him off to Widnes in exchange for an overhyped prop does not equal 'producing' in anyone's world (except those who tout Wigan supporting kids from the age of 3 as future England stars, of course).

Lee Briers broke into our side as a 7 and is an excellent half back.

Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:43 pm  

And to be fair, we've not had to produce any half backs as we've been fairly consistent in the last 15 years in the halves. Martyn and Long were our halves for long periods, then Sculthorpe and Long and then Pryce and Long. We then produced Eastmond to replace Long.

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Re: getting rid of eastmond : Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:07 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I hope he does. Despite not handling his move well at all he is still unquestionably the most talented scrum half England has produced in at least 15 years and we're not likely to ever see him reach his potential. He could have been a true great in our game.

geez mate, seriously, he's almost played a good couple of games for Saints, that's about it, he certainly made a big impact when he first broke into the first team but since then he's struggled off the injury table, every time he goes down he looks like he's struggling to get up.

A talent he is but consistently good he is not.