Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:38 pm  

I don't see why Saint's players losing weight during preseason should be considered a good thing. When Maguire joined Wigan he stated that our players weren't big enough or fast enough for his liking, so he went about increasing both. Now for the Saints fans out there who think their players are to big, I never noticed that they ever looked physically bigger than their opposition, certainly not when playing Wigan this year. If anything it was slightly the other way around.

I think the key is, or certainly has been at Wigan is tailoring training around individuals rather than as a collective group. We all have our strength and weaknesses, so by tailoring training around that to overcome the varying deficiencies within a group of players. For example you can't artificially manufacture pace. If player hasn't got any to begin with their unlikely to develop much more through training. All you can do is make sure that they perform somewhere close to their potential.

We were lucky at Wigan that Maguire's earliest background is in fitness and conditioning, so that coupled with Mark Bitcon who we recruited at the start of 2010 has given us a real boost. I haven't heard anything about Saint's recruiting a new head of strength and conditioning, so I'm guessing you'll be going with the same guy you've had since Apollo left. Which leaves me wondering whether Royce has a background similar to Madge in fitness and conditioning?

If I were part of the Saints coaching setup my number one aim however would be to eliminate the amount of injury's that players seem to suffer at the club. All clubs from time to time go through a bad patch injury wise, but Saints over these last few years have really been hit hard by it. Making me thing it's more than just bad luck.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:48 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

I don't see why Saint's players losing weight during preseason should be considered a good thing. When Maguire joined Wigan he stated that our players weren't big enough or fast enough for his liking, so he went about increasing both. Now for the Saints fans out there who think their players are to big, I never noticed that they ever looked physically bigger than their opposition, certainly not when playing Wigan this year. If anything it was slightly the other way around.

You are confusing 'bigger' with 'fatter'. We are talking about fat, not muscle or even frame size. There were a number of our players who looked like teletubbies last season, which only serves to slow them down and undermines their fitness.

For example you can't artificially manufacture pace. If player hasn't got any to begin with their unlikely to develop much more through training.

Absolutely. But pace will increase if they don't have to cart flab around the pitch.

If I were part of the Saints coaching setup my number one aim however would be to eliminate the amount of injury's that players seem to suffer at the club. All clubs from time to time go through a bad patch injury wise, but Saints over these last few years have really been hit hard by it. Making me thing it's more than just bad luck.

Many Saints fans came to the same conclusion.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:45 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

A player Wigan forced you to pay over the odds for.

Or maybe not, but only time will time will tell.

Is there a single topic this guy doesn't troll on?

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:24 pm  

Don Brennan wrote:

Is there a single topic this guy doesn't troll on?

Alas, it seems not.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:25 pm  

Speed Merchant wrote:

Out of order.

Zip them up when you're done.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:45 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

I don't see why Saint's players losing weight during preseason should be considered a good thing. When Maguire joined Wigan he stated that our players weren't big enough or fast enough for his liking, so he went about increasing both. Now for the Saints fans out there who think their players are to big, I never noticed that they ever looked physically bigger than their opposition, certainly not when playing Wigan this year. If anything it was slightly the other way around.

I think the key is, or certainly has been at Wigan is tailoring training around individuals rather than as a collective group. We all have our strength and weaknesses, so by tailoring training around that to overcome the varying deficiencies within a group of players. For example you can't artificially manufacture pace. If player hasn't got any to begin with their unlikely to develop much more through training. All you can do is make sure that they perform somewhere close to their potential.

We were lucky at Wigan that Maguire's earliest background is in fitness and conditioning, so that coupled with Mark Bitcon who we recruited at the start of 2010 has given us a real boost. I haven't heard anything about Saint's recruiting a new head of strength and conditioning, so I'm guessing you'll be going with the same guy you've had since Apollo left. Which leaves me wondering whether Royce has a background similar to Madge in fitness and conditioning?

If I were part of the Saints coaching setup my number one aim however would be to eliminate the amount of injury's that players seem to suffer at the club. All clubs from time to time go through a bad patch injury wise, but Saints over these last few years have really been hit hard by it. Making me thing it's more than just bad luck.

Your point on injuries is a good one, but on your point about size, we were the wrong type of big last season. It was the most immobile Saints' side I have ever seen.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:29 pm  

Don Brennan wrote:

Is there a single topic this guy doesn't troll on?

So you don't think Wigan made Wheeler an offer which Saints bettered.

Like you thought I was trolling when I told you that Saints had signed Perry, LMS and Shenton, well before those signings were confirmed.

Oh and when I said that Meninga would not come to Saints, but Simmons would be your new coach.

Or as a few on here will tell you that I informed them that Soliola had signed for Saints well before it was announced.

If that's trolling, then yes I suppose I am.

Whenever you post anything constructive about RL. I'll take notice.

End of lesson.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:05 pm  

I agree with Don

what about the time you told us KC had played on a year too long

Or that EVERY saints player is a closet wigan supporter

sick and tired or reading your version of the truth on EVERY thread - post on the wigan board for a change.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:42 pm  

steve wrote:

I agree with Don

what about the time you told us KC had played on a year too long

Or that EVERY saints player is a closet wigan supporter

sick and tired or reading your version of the truth on EVERY thread - post on the wigan board for a change.

I do think KC played year maybe two to long. (my opinion)
Eastmond and Dean were Wigan supporters, ask them.

If your sick and tired then don't read them or comment.

I was correct about, LMS, Meninga, Perry, Simmons and Soliola.
Wigan pulled out of the Shenton auction.

Wigan put an offer to Wheeler (why I don't understand but that's just my opinion) which Saints bettered.

All that is true, if you don't want to believe it then don't.
Or maybe I just guessed right (I'll check my lottery numbers tonight)

Thank god there are some supporters on here with whom a decent RL discussion is possible, and a bit of banter.

Re: Saints squad...... : Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:08 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I do think KC played year maybe two to long. (my opinion)
Eastmond and Dean were Wigan supporters, ask them.

Is that the Eastmond thats now playing for Sale?

If your sick and tired then don't read them or comment.
No choice you troll every topic

I was correct about, LMS, Meninga, Perry, Simmons and Soliola.
LMS,Shenton and Perry were common knowledge long before you chimed up.
Wigan pulled out of the Shenton auction.
So you say

Wigan put an offer to Wheeler (why I don't understand but that's just my opinion) which Saints bettered.

All that is true, if you don't want to believe it then don't.
Or maybe I just guessed right (I'll check my lottery numbers tonight)

Thank god there are some supporters on here with whom a decent RL discussion is possible, and a bit of banter.
I agree It negates your input