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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:04 pm  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
A couple of years back I posted a topic "Fat boy or Rat Boy" asking if you should keep both Cunningham and/or Long.

I think you were right to let Long go, but maybe you should have released Cunningham a year earlier than you did.


why would we have done that, Cunningham was an instrumental player in our 2010 campaign, especially at the back end of the year. Plus we had the additional "money cant buy" memories of his final tries and performances at Knowsley Road.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:18 pm  
saints35 bulls0 wrote:
why would we have done that, Cunningham was an instrumental player in our 2010 campaign, especially at the back end of the year. Plus we had the additional "money cant buy" memories of his final tries and performances at Knowsley Road.


Yes his last ever performance was outstanding wasn't it, played off the park by Mickey McIlorum.
His biggest contribution in that game was tossing up before the kick off. How many times was he a losing Grand Final Captain?

There is no doubt that Cunningham has been a great player for Saints but IMO he was kept for one or two seasons too long.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:25 pm  
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Yes his last ever performance was outstanding wasn't it, played off the park by Mickey McIlorum.
His biggest contribution in that game was tossing up before the kick off. How many times was he a losing Grand Final Captain?

There is no doubt that Cunningham has been a great player for Saints but IMO he was kept for one or two seasons too long.


you are basing the whole of his last two seasons on 1 game, when he was less than outstanding?

as I said in my first post, whatever happened in the Grand Final doesnt diminish from the memories all Saints fans have of Keiron Cunningham in 2010.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:29 pm  
saints35 bulls0 wrote:
you are basing the whole of his last two seasons on 1 game, when he was less than outstanding?

as I said in my first post, whatever happened in the Grand Final doesnt diminish from the memories all Saints fans have of Keiron Cunningham in 2010.


No I am not check his defensive stats (missed tackles ) for the last two years. As I said it's just my opinion.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:32 pm  
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Yes his last ever performance was outstanding wasn't it, played off the park by Mickey McIlorum.
His biggest contribution in that game was tossing up before the kick off. How many times was he a losing Grand Final Captain?

There is no doubt that Cunningham has been a great player for Saints but IMO he was kept for one or two seasons too long.

That's your opinion and as a Goon, it really doesn't count for much where Cunningham is concerned.

Cunningham's value was (a) he could get over the line from 10m when all else failed (and due to our megga injuries, lots failed during the season) and (b) he talked on the pitch, rallied the troops, stopped them panicking and gave them direction. Few of our players had good games at the Grand Final. That isn't anything to do with Cunningham in particular. It's been the same now for four years. Whether Cunningham has been on the pitch or not, we've lost the Grand Final four times on the bounce. Makes no odds. But he did help us get to Old Trafford, of that there is no doubt. When he came on the pitch at Knowsley Road during the playoffs he changed everything for the better. That was his real value.

However, now that Roby has progressed in his game and others have taken on more responsibility as old players have left over time, the chances are we will miss him less this season than had we let him go at the same time as our other established players. I think the club have managed the transition very well indeed. With luck the team will stay relatively fit during 2011 and if that is the case then I expect us to be challenging for honours again simply because we have a team which has the ability and commitment to be doing so.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:47 pm  
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That's your opinion and as a Goon, it really doesn't count for much where Cunningham is concerned.



Correct, I wish the guy would get the same treatment as trolls get on the goon board.
Back to the o/p Eastmond all the way.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:54 pm  
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How many times was he a losing Grand Final Captain?

There is no doubt that Cunningham has been a great player for Saints but IMO he was kept for one or two seasons too long.


How many times has Graham been a losing grand final prop? Maybe we should have binned him off years ago too, it's been four years since he won a SL title.

What nonsense.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:07 pm  
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Correct, I wish the guy would get the same treatment as trolls get on the goon board.
Back to the o/p Eastmond all the way.

If you're happy with 42 and 52 missed tackles over the last two seasons so be it.

But you are correct, back to Eastmond.
I'd take a chance on him at Wigan, the club he supported as a kid.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:14 pm  
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If you're happy with 42 and 52 missed tackles over the last two seasons so be it.

But you are correct, back to Eastmond.
I'd take a chance on him at Wigan, the club he supported as a kid.


So he missed less tackles in 2010 than in 2009, but you think he was one year too long based on his missed tackle count?

He missed 42 tackles in 2010. He missed 43 tackles in 2007, 41 in 2005, 39 in 2004, 44 in 2003 - wow, he's been past it for 7 years!!!

you'd think we might have noticed 7 years of him being past it, thank goodness our resident pie is here to point it out to us who watch him every week.
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Re: Long Or Eastmond (Now in 2011) : Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:29 pm  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
the club he supported as a kid.


you mean the world renowned wolverhampton branch of the wigan supporters club???

stop talking c**p he lived in the midlands till he was 7 and then moved to Oldham where he started playing league. Why not go back to the goon board and talk rubbish there.
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