Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:28 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

I'd like to see a day in my lifetime where England/GB/whatever could hold their own against the Aussies and the Kiwis on a regular basis and the best way to do this is for our players to play with the best players week in week out.

Too right.

I've spent a lot of time and money following GB/England here and in Oz and one day I want to see Jammer lift a trophy in an England shirt - it would mean a lot more to me (and the sport in this country) than Saints winning the double three years running.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:48 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

TI've spent a lot of time and money following GB/England here and in Oz and one day I want to see Jammer lift a trophy in an England shirt - it would mean a lot more to me (and the sport in this country) than Saints winning the double three years running.

Why on earth does James Graham have to go to Australia to enable him to lift a trophy in an England shirt? He is perfectly capable of doing that now, should most of the rest of the team rise to his standard (because that is what it will take, whether Jammer is playing in SL or NRL).

Give me both, personally. See him lift a trophy in an England shirt AND help Saints win the double three years running! Why should we encourage our best talent to go play for the crims? They can train up their own instead.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:57 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

They can train up their own instead.

They do. Too a much higher technical standard than we ever seem to do.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:18 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

They do. Too a much higher technical standard than we ever seem to do.

Really? Then why do they want to nick ours?

Ellis and Burgess didn't look any different at the weekend given their 'higher technical standard'! Graham looked superior to both of them.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:20 pm  

I'm not getting into an argument with you, it's like trying to platt sand.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:27 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

I'm not getting into an argument with you, it's like trying to platt sand.

Translation: it was impossible to disagree with my point so you reverted to insulting me, as usual.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:58 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Ellis and Burgess didn't look any different at the weekend given their 'higher technical standard'! Graham looked superior to both of them.

She has made a very valid point here.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:17 pm  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

I'd like to see a day in my lifetime where England/GB/whatever could hold their own against the Aussies and the Kiwis on a regular basis and the best way to do this is for our players to play with the best players week in week out.

How does weakening the competition in which the majority of England players compete on a weekly basis achieve this end then ? The argument does not stack up for me. The stronger our competition the stronger the national side will be.

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:51 pm  

Div wrote:

How does weakening the competition in which the majority of England players compete on a weekly basis achieve this end then ? The argument does not stack up for me. The stronger our competition the stronger the national side will be.

well it has not been doing the trick so far then has it. That's why I think that our best young players should go to the best competion

Re: Simmonds - Graham....... : Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:08 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Really? Then why do they want to nick ours?

Ellis and Burgess didn't look any different at the weekend given their 'higher technical standard'! Graham looked superior to both of them.

Got to agree with you.
If their game is so superior, why are NZ current world champions and not the aussies and why would they want any of our players over there.
I'm sick of this inferiority complex many home fans have in respect to the NRL; it just reinforces a losing mentality.

Its just the same at international level. Why the flip are we letting them appoint tasmin archer as ref when there was a NZ alternative. How motivating is that for our team? Do the aussies need any more help?
Whoever from our side who is responsible for caving in needs sacking straight away.