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Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm  
What, if any; kind of brain has NB got. He may not be a fan of Paul Clough but with all of Clough's shortcomings he is miles ahead of Howarth as a forward. Browns constant tinkering is preventing any consistency within the team thus creating indisciplined and clueless performances.

I am not a sack the coach person but Brown has not a clue and as long as he is in charge Saints will be mediocre.

If Macmanus does not question Browns ideas following the Howarth selection he is failing the club.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:50 pm  
Seems we ended the game with Wellens at centre and Turner at wing. God knows what goes through 'tinkerman's' mind at times. Also 8 points conceded in the 2nd half because of penalties, where is the discipline?
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:28 pm  
Why can't he start with the team that played so well in the first half against the bulls with wello at fullback and lomax at 6?

We all know lomax is our future fullback but wello at 6 doesn't give the team any balance at all.

Howarth at 2nd row was always going to be a disaster.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:34 pm  
I'm not a sack the coach man but it's surely past the time! Enough is enough.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:44 pm  
St pete wrote:
Why can't he start with the team that played so well in the first half against the bulls with wello at fullback and lomax at 6?

We all know lomax is our future fullback but wello at 6 doesn't give the team any balance at all.

Howarth at 2nd row was always going to be a disaster.



You're of course spot on that the team set up like that doesn't have any balance - but I don't agree with your solution.

With O'Brien more a play maker halfback, it'd be most balanced to put Hohaia next to him. Lomax for me has to stay at FB.

Wellens has been a great servant, but the game's now passed him by. He's far from a poor player still, despite a lack of pace, and I can see the temptation to play him *somewhere* but he just isn't good enough for any individual position.

Howarth is just so far from SL standard it's a joke.


But back to Brown....

Anyone else think he reckons himself far too smart for his own (and the club's) good? RL isn't that complicated a game. And yet, Brown's tactical talks must be like getting a lecture in quantum physics. He has players lining up in different positions for different phases of the game - not just attack or defence, but seemingly at different times in the tackle count.

Rush was ultimately too safety-first (and hampered the development of certain young players as a result) but his positive impact on results arose, IMO, from his simplification of the gameplan.

I appreciate Brown has had to try to work out a formula within the key pivot positions, and has been hampered by injuries, but he's still dicking about with players being moved out of position and into unfamiliar roles - even within games.

We're reaching the arse-end of the season now, and he's still buggering about with different combinations and roles. As the OP said, there's no consistency, no opportunity for players to gel and become familiar with what each other can offer and how their team mates' operate in their role within a game.

I was critical of Brown's appointment before it was even confirmed but so wanted him to do well after the abysmal Potter, the inconsistent Simmons and the out-of-his-depth Rush. But he's becoming a disaster for Saints and the worst part is, there's not even a chink of light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:47 pm  
The clock is ticking for me with Brown now.

The injury situation at the club is now not a concern. We have our big guns back.

However tonight players didn't have a clue. A couple of things sum it up for me. They were asking each other who was going to kick the penalty in to touch. They should know that. Secondly when forming scrums when your 16-0 down you don't amble across without a care in the world, you form a scrum quick get the clock stopped and get some momentum in attack.

These players were last year good enough to finish in the top 3.
Tonight they looked like a side that is bottom 4 material.

I have to question the dropping of Paul Clough to accommodate Howarth in the second row.
We would have been better with Clough at prop and Lafranchi playing right side second row.

I know he isn't great but Hohoia also offers more at 6 than Wellens does.

Our team is currently vastly underperforming and that comes down to the coach. The side we had out tonight should be a side challenging for a top 4 place on paper. The fact we look like we will struggle to make 8th says it all.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:48 pm  
St pete wrote:
Why can't he start with the team that played so well in the first half against the bulls with wello at fullback and lomax at 6?

We all know lomax is our future fullback but wello at 6 doesn't give the team any balance at all.

Howarth at 2nd row was always going to be a disaster.


Why would we want to stick with a winning formula when we can stumble around the field looking like a team of strangers!!! ?? Brown seems to have lost the plot totally. That was one of the most inept performances I have ever seen saints produce, I dread to think what the completion rate was
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:49 pm  
I personally don't think O'Brian is good enough. I've not seen a saints scrumhalf drop the ball of pass to the ground like he did tonight.

I'd be very reluctant to keep him to be honest.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:51 pm  
Next 3 games, Cas A Wigan H Catalan A. 0 pts? Time for Brown to prove himself.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:56 pm  
It was confusing as hell tonight. Howarth at 11, Wellens at 6 then 11 then 3, Turner at 3 then 5 etc etc

Some of his subs were baffling tonight. I couldnt believe he didnt bring Hohaia on earlier to at least have a go.

I'm not a man who chops and changes, stick with S!
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