Knowsley Road record : Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:51 pm  

Record for KR

Played: 2153
Won: 1597
Draw: 83
Lost: 473
pts for: 44900
pts against: 20958

This record is for all official matches including league, championship, play-offs,premierships,challenge cup,regal/jps trophy, lancs trophy, floodlit trophy, WCC, western division, yorkshire cup and the war emergency league.

Does anyone think our LP record will be as good/better? (Granted no one will be alive and possible wont last as long as KR did)

The data was taken from the St Helens miscellany which in fact is a very worthwhile read.

Re: Knowsley Road record : Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:10 pm  

Saint94 wrote:

Record for KR

Played: 2153
Won: 1597
Draw: 83
Lost: 473
pts for: 44900
pts against: 20958

This record is for all official matches including league, championship, play-offs,premierships,challenge cup,regal/jps trophy, lancs trophy, floodlit trophy, WCC, western division, yorkshire cup and the war emergency league.

Does anyone think our LP record will be as good/better? (Granted no one will be alive and possible wont last as long as KR did)

The data was taken from the St Helens miscellany which in fact is a very worthwhile read.

Rogues will still be around

Re: Knowsley Road record : Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:36 pm  

Benidorm John wrote:

Rogues will still be around

Re: Knowsley Road record : Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:48 pm  

Benidorm John wrote:

Rogues will still be around

The first Wigan v Saints derby was at Knowsley Road on November 16th 1895, the final score was 0-0 in front of 3000 species, not sure of the half-time score but I'll check with Bilko, it was the 12th game of the season for both teams, Saints had drawn 4 and Wigan had drawn 6, (five of which were scoreless). If I can find it I will sent Royce a video of the game, .

On March 26th 1896, at Frog Lane, 4000 saw Wigan beat Saints 10-0, right winger Flowers dropping a goal (worth 4 points then), Webster scored a try (3 points) and kicked a penalty (3 points)

At that time they still played with 15 a-side.

Oh, nearly forgot Rogues was there in his Knickerbockers

Re: Knowsley Road record : Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:23 am  

Were tried worth anything in 1895? Or were they still only worth a try at goal which was where the points came from?

Re: Knowsley Road record : Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:12 pm  

Benidorm John wrote:

The first Wigan v Saints derby was at Knowsley Road on November 16th 1895, the final score was 0-0 in front of 3000 species, not sure of the half-time score but I'll check with Bilko, it was the 12th game of the season for both teams, Saints had drawn 4 and Wigan had drawn 6, (five of which were scoreless). If I can find it I will sent Royce a video of the game, .

On March 26th 1896, at Frog Lane, 4000 saw Wigan beat Saints 10-0, right winger Flowers dropping a goal (worth 4 points then), Webster scored a try (3 points) and kicked a penalty (3 points)

At that time they still played with 15 a-side.

Oh, nearly forgot Rogues was there in his Knickerbockers

My Grandfather played in that game, W Caveney.

We could have done with a forward like him last Friday,
he'd have sorted them Froggies out


Unfortunately I never knew him, but when I was a kid my uncle used to tell me tales about him, apparantly he used to do a bit of bare knuckle fighting as well

S57

Re: Knowsley Road record : Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:21 pm  

SAINTS57 wrote:

My Grandfather played in that game, W Caveney.

We could have done with a forward like him last Friday,
he'd have sorted them Froggies out


Unfortunately I never knew him, but when I was a kid my uncle used to tell me tales about him, apparantly he used to do a bit of bare knuckle fighting as well

S57

Your grandfather played in both those games above,
He also played in the 2 derby league games in1896-7 season, Feb 6th Wigan 4 Saints 0, (J Walkden Drop goal). March 11th Saints 3 Wigan 0, (D Traynor try)

But he was not in the team that beat Wigan on April 3rd in the 3rd round of the first ever Challenge Cup year, the match was played at KR with 5000 attending, the final score was 11-0. Rogues did not attend as he was suffering from Pieonhisplateitis.
Saints went on to get beat by Batley in the Final at Headingley. Did your Grandfather play in the final??

His last recorded Derby match against the Pies was on Oct 14th 1899 at KR when Saints won 5-0.
You should be really proud being related to someone who pioneered the great game that it is.

Re: Knowsley Road record : Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:17 am  

Benidorm John wrote:

Your grandfather played in both those games above,
He also played in the 2 derby league games in1896-7 season, Feb 6th Wigan 4 Saints 0, (J Walkden Drop goal). March 11th Saints 3 Wigan 0, (D Traynor try)

But he was not in the team that beat Wigan on April 3rd in the 3rd round of the first ever Challenge Cup year, the match was played at KR with 5000 attending, the final score was 11-0. Rogues did not attend as he was suffering from Pieonhisplateitis.
Saints went on to get beat by Batley in the Final at Headingley. Did your Grandfather play in the final??

His last recorded Derby match against the Pies was on Oct 14th 1899 at KR when Saints won 5-0.
You should be really proud being related to someone who pioneered the great game that it is.

He was reserve for the final, he only had a short career with Saints, I looked it up on the heritage site, but I don't think the picture they use on there is correct, he was only mid 20's when he played and the picture seems to be of an older player.

Obviously I'm proud of the connection but, if you go back to the era when the team was mainly drawn from local lads, then I would guess a lot of families in the town would have had a relative who has played at one time or another.

S57

Re: Knowsley Road record : Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:01 pm  

SAINTS57 wrote:

He was reserve for the final, he only had a short career with Saints, I looked it up on the heritage site, but I don't think the picture they use on there is correct, he was only mid 20's when he played and the picture seems to be of an older player.

Obviously I'm proud of the connection but, if you go back to the era when the team was mainly drawn from local lads, then I would guess a lot of families in the town would have had a relative who has played at one time or another.

S57

There are not many who played in the first 2 Derby's

Re: Knowsley Road record : Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:25 pm  

Would the sides have played each other as RFU teams pre 1895?