Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:55 am  

OK then this aint the rumour mill…….just after opinions.

At the back end of last year I was talking to some wealthy pie sponsors I know who claimed to be in the know. At the time it was rumoured Sam Tomkins would follow his brother and switch codes to RU for a large sum of money.

They said to counter this Wigan done a deal with Sam making him the highest paid player in the league. The figure I was told was £350,000K and more would come from elsewhere.
It was suggested (with raised eyebrows) that this was known by the RFL who were desperate to stop players defecting?

Anyway I’d almost forgot about it until I seen that Sam had joined the Sky team working with Carney on his Super League Super Stars thing as well as having his own slot listing his favourite tries of all time. The penny dropped…..maybe the Sky deal is the “elsewhere”???......Money through the back door???

Rip it to bits if yer want. It’s just something I was told and probably sh_te & coincidence

[Sadfish]

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:20 am  

Sam is the best rugby player (both codes) in Britain, he's worth keeping, I think there should always be ways to the change the cap for special cases, be it Wigan or Saints players or whoever, if the RFL deem it a requirement. I doubt the SKY deal is anything other than another line of income / exposure for him.

The cap is there to stop RL teams going bust to win the cup etc, and whilst players themselves shouldn't make that happen, if there are ways to keep a special player like him in the sport then i'm ALL FOR IT.

Next time it could be a Saints player. In fact last time it was iirc.

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:31 am  

Sam Tomkins WILL end up in union sooner rather than later, and that is a fact!! A couple of bad results, cup exit etc and watch them big union clubs come calling with massive offers, offers that Wigan wont be able to to turn down!!!

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:58 am  

Sadfish wrote:

Sam is the best rugby player (both codes) in Britain, he's worth keeping, I think there should always be ways to the change the cap for special cases, be it Wigan or Saints players or whoever, if the RFL deem it a requirement. I doubt the SKY deal is anything other than another line of income / exposure for him.

The cap is there to stop RL teams going bust to win the cup etc, and whilst players themselves shouldn't make that happen, if there are ways to keep a special player like him in the sport then i'm ALL FOR IT.

Next time it could be a Saints player. In fact last time it was iirc.

Indeed it was - Scully and Gillette.

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:51 pm  

Whatever the justifications are for "bending the rules" to keep him, it's still dead unfair to all the other teams and destroys the whole point of having a salary cap in the first place. Ultimately he will end up in RU or the NRL as there is simply not enough money in British RL to compete with what they can throw in his direction, fact. All this does is (slightly) delay the inevitable and skew the playing field in our favourite club's favour in the meantime, utterly against the spirit of what the cap is supposed to be about, and undermining the supposed integrity and fairness of the whole competition in the meantime.

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:58 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Whatever the justifications are for "bending the rules" to keep him, it's still dead unfair to all the other teams and destroys the whole point of having a salary cap in the first place. Ultimately he will end up in RU or the NRL as there is simply not enough money in British RL to compete with what they can throw in his direction, fact. All this does is (slightly) delay the inevitable and skew the playing field in our favourite club's favour in the meantime, utterly against the spirit of what the cap is supposed to be about, and undermining the supposed integrity and fairness of the whole competition in the meantime.

Obviously all part of Saracens plans for Samuel, Watch out for the Pies ground sharing with them at Twickers.

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:36 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Indeed it was - Scully and Gillette.

wasn't it Keiron Cunningham,when the Welsh R.U.or some r.u.club didn't the RFL pay part of his contract to keep him in Super league?

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:10 pm  

edon10 wrote:

wasn't it Keiron Cunningham,when the Welsh R.U.or some r.u.club didn't the RFL pay part of his contract to keep him in Super league?

KC and Radders (Pie Nomads)

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:44 pm  

But if the rules can be skewed for a 'special case' then what's the point in the rule.
If the cap is there to stop clubs going bust then scrap the cap and replace with a profit or break even rule.
If the cap is there for a level playing field then it needs to be kept level.

If sky want to pay Sam for another job that's their own thing and I have no issue with that.

In fact if you scrapped the cap and put a break even rule in place there would be nothing to stop wealth men from where ever paying players wages. So long as the debt is not tied to the club or if it is it's affordable within the break even rules then I could not care less.

The big question is what is the cap for? A level playing field or to stop the clubs going bust, (if it's the latter then its not doing it very well, London, Crusaders, Wakey, then all the clubs that regularly make a loss including us).

Re: Sam Tomkins on Sky : Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:56 pm  

The cap rules have been skewed for a while now. Players who had played for 10 seasons at the club (count only 50% of their wages on the cap) The home grown player(s) (Sam) ruling. And there's at least another one which I can't remember at the moment. (something to do with junior players) The original cap idea of 50% of turnover was probably the best, and that was designed to stop clubs going bust. However I agree with you that a profit related cap cap maybe worth looking at. The actual rules are here for all to ponder. http://rfllive.dyndns.org/~rflmedia/doc ... on%20E.pdf As I've said elsewhere Sam working for Sky is no different than Scully working for Gillette or Burrow and Sinfield working as pundits for the Superleague Show.

The cap rules have been skewed for a while now. Players who had played for 10 seasons at the club (count only 50% of their wages on the cap) The home grown player(s) (Sam) ruling. And there's at least another one which I can't remember at the moment. (something to do with junior players) The original cap idea of 50% of turnover was probably the best, and that was designed to stop clubs going bust. However I agree with you that a profit related cap cap maybe worth looking at. The actual rules are here for all to ponder. http://rfllive.dyndns.org/~rflmedia/doc ... on%20E.pdf As I've said elsewhere Sam working for Sky is no different than Scully working for Gillette or Burrow and Sinfield working as pundits for the Superleague Show.