Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:30 pm  

Completely dominated and out-smarted tonight. We seem obsessed with not giving away penalties at the ruck, on a few occasions tonight we were up and away from the tackle before our defensive line was even set! How we can expect to get on the front foot playing like that is beyond me. Alibert is fond of letting the game flow and Wigan exploited that perfectly, they controlled the collision superbly and nullified our threat from the ruck.

Very disappointing, and not for the first time against one of the decent sides in SL. Our record against the other top 4 teams is shocking and whilst I'm trying not to get carried away I don't think this set of forwards (with only Clough to come back now) is good enough to get to a GF quite frankly.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:35 pm  

I thought Alibert let them have a lot of time in the tackle,im not blaming him for the loss at all as we were given a lesson tonight in the forwards,our defence at marker at times was dire and there was lack of comunication all round.

The pack needs beefing up a bit as we lose so much when Graham,TP and Sia go off.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:36 pm  

on the subject of men against boys-what about Magennis?

Is this guy average or what-he should be plying his trade with Leigh or similar.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:39 pm  

brook40 wrote:

I thought Alibert let them have a lot of time in the tackle,im not blaming him for the loss at all as we were given a lesson tonight in the forwards,our defence at marker at times was dire and there was lack of comunication all round.

The pack needs beefing up a bit as we lose so much when Graham,TP and Sia go off.

Wigan didn't receive a penalty in the second half. Saints had three (it may have been four) so it's a bit harsh having a go at Alibert.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:41 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Wigan didn't receive a penalty in the second half. Saints had three (it may have been four) so it's a bit harsh having a go at Alibert.

i was gonna say the same.. saints more than did their fair share of slowing down the ptb.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:46 pm  

Im not for a moment saying Wigan didnt deserve to win as they were the better side and gave us a lesson in forward play,but i do think there was a slight disparity in the time in the tackle,there were a lot of hands in knocking the ball out Carmont did exactly that right next to the linesman and it was so blatant even Stevo and Eddy mentioned it yet there was nothing given.

The best team won,i cant argue with that,they played as a team and had a lot of team spirit and it showed.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:48 pm  

Simmons in his after game comments blamed the team for not sticking to the game plan-what exactly was it?

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:53 pm  

brook40 wrote:

Im not for a moment saying Wigan didnt deserve to win as they were the better side and gave us a lesson in forward play,but i do think there was a slight disparity in the time in the tackle,there were a lot of hands in knocking the ball out Carmont did exactly that right next to the linesman and it was so blatant even Stevo and Eddy mentioned it yet there was nothing given.

To be fair you did that to Charnley and Coley as well.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:55 pm  

wiganstripleL wrote:

i was gonna say the same.. saints more than did their fair share of slowing down the ptb.

No they didn't. Saints are so eager to get off the tackled player that they scramble off too early. We need to hold down longer and get more numbers into the tackle. Defense is something we are majorly lacking in.

Re: Men against boys : Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:58 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

No they didn't. Saints are so eager to get off the tackled player that they scramble off too early. We need to hold down longer and get more numbers into the tackle. Defense is something we are majorly lacking in.

yes under Simmons the defence has been woeful