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england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:42 am  
nothing changes..dropping ball...missing tackles...same old...same old.
and how come that widdup is good enough for melbourne storm?..
we scored two good tries in the second half but then did the usual let the kiwis come back..once again as per usual..not good enough.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:02 am  
They're so frustrating to watch. Particularly when they can eventually get it together and score a spectacular try. Was impressed with the pace from Shenton on that one.

Glad the over-rated Ryan Atkins got shown up. He's alright off a dominant forward pack with plenty of space to run into but when it's tight he goes backwards and his defence is poor.

Widdop is a reserve grader in the NRL and you can see why. All the complaints about Wello being slow, Widdop just stepped side to side in those marvellous electric pink boots. Least Wello moves forward.

Did Darrell Griffin play....... needed a more robust forward like Carvell or Crabtree off the bench against the Kiwis.

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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:05 am  
We showed flashes and we looked a far better team with Tomkins at fullback. The odd thing is we seemed to wait till the game was hopeless before we opened up play a bit and started to look dangerous
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:09 am  
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They're so frustrating to watch. Particularly when they can eventually get it together and score a spectacular try. Was impressed with the pace from Shenton on that one.

Glad the over-rated Ryan Atkins got shown up. He's alright off a dominant forward pack with plenty of space to run into but when it's tight he goes backwards and his defence is poor.

Widdop is a reserve grader in the NRL and you can see why. All the complaints about Wello being slow, Widdop just stepped side to side in those marvellous electric pink boots. Least Wello moves forward.

Did Darrell Griffin play....... needed a more robust forward like Carvell or Crabtree off the bench against the Kiwis.

Here's to the 2011 competition!


TBH I think we lacked some impact off the bench too - Crabtree causes defences problems. Ryan Atkins was poor , he was shirt grabbing (and missing at that).
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:27 am  
It is a mystery to me that Widdop had been selected over Wellens. I think Widdop does offer more in attack but lacks consistency and solidarity. Particularaly with the dropped bomb gifting them a try, i can't remember the last time Wello did that.

Also Ryan Atkins being missing (if it isn't just a knock) may actually strengthen the squad as McBanana will now have to bring in Gleeson who is a better option IMO.

I thought Shenton played very well in attack in the second half but some of his defense in the first was questionable. I don't understand why Griffin got a shirt over Crabtree as his impact could have been vital against a side like New Zealand.

If we stand any chance of winning against Australia next week then somebody will need to learn how to kick very quickly. Phil Clarke summed it up brilliantly (which was a shock in itself) when saying the kicking game was 4/10.

Overall the performance was gutsy and showed some signs of promise. The fact that we weren't more than 12-0 down at half time showed good defence cohesion and a little luck. If we can build and improve on the positives and try and cut out some of the negatives we will stand a chance of being competitive next week. If we play for 80 minutes like we did for our 'good' 15 minutes today, we stand a chance of causing an upset.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:35 am  
Wello has retired from international games hasn't he.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:37 am  
Tony Stark wrote:
Wello has retired from international games hasn't he.


Nope.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:53 am  
Tony Stark wrote:
Wello has retired from international games hasn't he.


No don't think so, just constantly overlooked.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:12 pm  
He (Wellens) had stated that he would still like to go/get back into the England side. I think he would have done better than Widdup did today. BUT looking at the picture as a whole he would be really past his best by the time of the World Cup in 2013.
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Re: england... : Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:04 pm  
I woul play tomkins fullback and widdop at centre or stand-off.
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