leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:40 pm  

my wife/son & i always discus this.Is it a coaching thing or do the wingers get excited & rush in for a bit of the action.It happens whenever we watch Saints & of course other teams.Needless to say we have not come up with an answer yet.Maybe someone should ask K.C. Dawson was left in no mans land with one of their trys.

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:56 pm  

edon10 wrote:

my wife/son & i always discus this.Is it a coaching thing or do the wingers get excited & rush in for a bit of the action.It happens whenever we watch Saints & of course other teams.Needless to say we have not come up with an answer yet.Maybe someone should ask K.C. Dawson was left in no mans land with one of their trys.

It's down to your defensive pattern. If plsyers don't slide across or get caught up in dummy runners it leaves a overlap and more often than not the winger has a split decision to make the call to go in or stay out.

IF you go out and take the man, your a hero and if you get caught your to blame. I personally would go to the man with the ball.

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:26 pm  

St pete wrote:

It's down to your defensive pattern. If plsyers don't slide across or get caught up in dummy runners it leaves a overlap and more often than not the winger has a split decision to make the call to go in or stay out.

IF you go out and take the man, your a hero and if you get caught your to blame. I personally would go to the man with the ball.

No trust in your centre????

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:42 pm  

It's actually easier to see why wingers do so vs wigan more than most. Assuming your talking about the first Wigan try, wigan had the ball player, the centre flat, the fullback behind him, and the winger wide - percival is covering the flat pass and that leaves the ball player 2 options - either pass it flat to his winger or centre and hope they beat their opposite 1 on 1 or swing it behind to the fullback and hope to expose the winger in a 2 on 1.

This gives Dawson a choice, he either stays on the winger guarding the flat pass, or he tries and catch the fullback as he catches it to stop the 2 on 1 - in the try you refer to he makes the wrong choice and goes to Bowen - leaving the wing open - however the magic weekend has 2 very good examples of wingers calling it right and cutting out the overlap

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:46 pm  

redex113 wrote:

No trust in your centre????

That does play part in it if you don't trust the man inside you but same goes on all the edge defence, if you don't trust the man at the side it can cause problems. 9/10 it looks like the wingers fault when in fact could be a edge defender not taking his man.

Wigan are the masters of hitting the edges. They usually tear us to shreds outwide. Sam tomkins was brilliant being the "man out the back" for them and im sure they will bring that next year.

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:22 pm  

It's also worth noting that very often it isn't the winger's fault. If someone jumps out of the line or makes a poor read further infield, then everyone outside that defender has to pull in. Often that ends with a winger strolling in unopposed and everyone (including Stevo) goes mental at the defending winger when they had no choice but to come in.

Dawson did make the wrong decision for that try, but he was put under a lot of pressure by Burns making a bad read further in. After that everyone was having to make it up on the fly.

Re: leaving the wing wide open : Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:39 am  

The only time you can blame the winger is when the numbers are correct.
It still happens (a lot), but the instances of people racing out of the line and goofing are either a) rarely the winger or b) the winger trying desparately to make up for a lack of numbers.

When the winger is genuinely at fault, it tends to be a lot less movement, the attacking centre goes for the outside of his man and the moment the defending winger steps in, or even just turns his shoulders inward, the pass is given and the attacking winger goes in unopposed. There's very few wingers that are never guilty of this.