Re: 3 in the tackle : Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:48 am  

People need to remember Saints were the first to bring in a wrestling coach into training, to help slow the game down in the tackle! All teams for me Wrongly slow the game down too much at times, and many players at all clubs drop down as the third man! which can hurt, it's like offside, but if the referee pulled up every incident the game would be stopping all the time.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:32 am  

jaybs wrote:

People need to remember Saints were the first to bring in a wrestling coach into training, to help slow the game down in the tackle! All teams for me Wrongly slow the game down too much at times, and many players at all clubs drop down as the third man! which can hurt, it's like offside, but if the referee pulled up every incident the game would be stopping all the time.

I think saints technique then was slightly different to what is now, they would put the opposition on there backs pretty quickly and just gain a few seconds peeling off. These days some tackles and PTB's can take about 20 seconds when the third man come in, I don't like it all, it knocks the intensity and entertainment out of games. It also is damaging to players joints as the wrestle is more prolonged, something that Wilkin picked up on last season in the media.

I remember Scully saying they would train and try to get PTB's to 4 seconds and when defending twice that amount. Today if it goes any slower and the PTB is played without standing then its going towards Rugby Union into something similar to a loose ruck.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:27 am  

Big Steve wrote:

Watching the game last night. Cas were getting three men in the tackle at least twice in every set in the first 20 minutes. The 3rd man going in low

Saints did it much less but there were a few sets where they did it twice in a row, LMS and Roby going in low as 3rd man.

Considering recent posts about wigans use of the 3rd man in the tackle I'm surprised nothing has beenentioned by the posters on this board. Is it only bad when Wigan do it?

It's the angle the third man comes in at. Too many times Wigan's third man comes in side on to the knee bending the defender's knee out of the natural joint bend. This is very dangerous.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:10 am  

There are certain players that care less about the welfare of other players BUT all teams are trying to play this wrestling game.

It's the refs and the rfl that need to step in, players and coaches will play to the edge of the rules, move the boundaries and they have to move theirs.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:13 pm  

Can't you find anything else to whinge about?

Re: 3 in the tackle : Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:09 am  

I was up Cowley last night watching the kids train and they spent a good 3 mins on wrestling and a good 30 mins on 3 in the tackle and this was at u13s level.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:02 am  

If this 3 man slowing down the tackle and play the ball becomes the norm then that for me might mean jacking it in watching rugby league.
We'll just end up with boring rugby with lots of players injured watching the game from the stands.
If teenage kids are being coached this way then I can't see enough players coming through and physically developing the right way. At 13 years of age bones, tendons and ligaments are not fully developed, wrestling one on one is OK but when you get 3 players on 1 player at whatever age.....something is going to go wrong.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:18 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

If this 3 man slowing down the tackle and play the ball becomes the norm then that for me might mean jacking it in watching rugby league.
We'll just end up with boring rugby with lots of players injured watching the game from the stands.
If teenage kids are being coached this way then I can't see enough players coming through and physically developing the right way. At 13 years of age bones, tendons and ligaments are not fully developed, wrestling one on one is OK but when you get 3 players on 1 player at whatever age.....something is going to go wrong.

It's bringing a system in that runs thru the kids up to 19s and then into first grade.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:27 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

If this 3 man slowing down the tackle and play the ball becomes the norm then that for me might mean jacking it in watching rugby league.
We'll just end up with boring rugby with lots of players injured watching the game from the stands.
If teenage kids are being coached this way then I can't see enough players coming through and physically developing the right way. At 13 years of age bones, tendons and ligaments are not fully developed, wrestling one on one is OK but when you get 3 players on 1 player at whatever age.....something is going to go wrong.

There's an argument that getting kids playing against set defences where the tackle has been controlled can help develop better halfbacks and ball players because they can't really on quick plays and must be more skillful to break down the opposition. So it could have benefits as well as drawbacks.

Re: 3 in the tackle : Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:14 pm  

Major Tom wrote:

There's an argument that getting kids playing against set defences where the tackle has been controlled can help develop better halfbacks and ball players because they can't really on quick plays and must be more skillful to break down the opposition. So it could have benefits as well as drawbacks.

The biggest problem is the flat attacks and quick defensive line speeds meaning its a forward battle up to the 5th tackle for most teams then a tactical kick by the half backs, you can get quick ball out wide when defences tire but that doesn,t happen frequent enough.
Quicker play the balls means you,ve got more open play for half backs to work with in support play and direction options instead of facing a long line of set defence with little gaps to target.
For the last 5 years with flat attacks and quick defences to slow the game down we have not produced any half backs at all.

The current half backs are getting hammered this season, sometimes the defence gets a 20 sec rest with the wrestle tackle giving them a short period to recovery, if this was only a 5 sec recovery period then by the 3rd tackle there are going to be some tired legs out there for the half backs to exploit.