Re: andre savelio : Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:41 pm  

St pete wrote:

I've not said we don't need a halfback have I? I've replied to a post suggesting we don't need to replace a prop.

IMO if laffranchi, wello, lance do leave, we will need a prop and a halfback 100% for sure.

A prop would be some distance down my shopping list, only just ahead of more back rowers, particularly if he is taking up quota spot

Re: andre savelio : Sat Apr 05, 2014 6:49 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I disagree. We are ok for props but weak at halfback and in the centres. If we are to step up to the next level, we need a newlove or a tommy god. They will make a far higher impact than another prop, just see what Walsh has done this year, and don't be surprised if we are looking to replace him sooner rather than later.

Centre is a strange one to suggest. In turner and Percival we have two of the best young British centres around (only behind Watkins imo) and Dawson, wheeler and jones (why people hate on him I'll never know) as more than decent cover.

Jamie Lyon would be nice, but beyond that there are very few centres I'd look to bring in, and even fewer who would be actually available and possible to bring in.

A prop and a top 6 (and a reserve halfback and a reserve hooker) would give us perhaps one of the most balanced teams we've ever had

Re: andre savelio : Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:16 pm  

We don't need a centre.

We need a Stand Off, Scrum Half cover and an interchange hooker.

Re: andre savelio : Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:40 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

A prop and a top 6 (and a reserve halfback and a reserve hooker) would give us perhaps one of the most balanced teams we've ever had

BackrowSaint wrote:

We don't need a centre.
We need a Stand Off, Scrum Half cover and an interchange hooker.

These!

Hence
James Green , George Williams and a cheeky punt on Snyed (loan for a year until he is OCC) would head my list. Failing Sneyd the SO at Rochdale Ryan Millard.


Beyond that a junior winger who is at the stage percival was last year ie could handle 6 or so games, thus providing cover for all the back three but not costing much.

Re: andre savelio : Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:18 pm  

Gerry Mander wrote:

These!

Hence
James Green , George Williams and a cheeky punt on Snyed (loan for a year until he is OCC) would head my list. Failing Sneyd the SO at Rochdale Ryan Millard.


Beyond that a junior winger who is at the stage percival was last year ie could handle 6 or so games, thus providing cover for all the back three but not costing much.

Prop: Green, Huby, Singleton, Taylor
Standoff: <NRL signing>, Sneyd
Reserve hooker: Pelissier, Owen, Clarke
Reserve halfback: Williams, GOB, Wheeler?

(Ranked from most likely/ preferred to least)

Pick up one out of each list and I'll be a very happy bunny! Are none of the u19 outside backs ready for a step in for a couple of games?

Edit: in some vague attempt to stay on topic, it's worth pointing out Andre played for the 19s today vs hull fc who won 62 - 20, and scored 2 himself

Re: andre savelio : Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:57 am  

Is George Williams any good?

Re: andre savelio : Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:36 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Centre is a strange one to suggest. In turner and Percival we have two of the best young British centres around (only behind Watkins imo) and Dawson, wheeler and jones (why people hate on him I'll never know) as more than decent cover.

Jamie Lyon would be nice, but beyond that there are very few centres I'd look to bring in, and even fewer who would be actually available and possible to bring in.

A prop and a top 6 (and a reserve halfback and a reserve hooker) would give us perhaps one of the most balanced teams we've ever had

Centre isn't nailed on. Percival has shown promise when he has got on the park, but those appearances have been worryingly limited. Turner is ok, but hardly top drawer, and after that we have jones who is a second row filling in, sia who isn't a centre and wheeler who is never going to make it. Centre is definitely a weakness for saints.

Re: andre savelio : Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:57 am  

Carlos Alberto wrote:

Is George Williams any good?

.

He's excellent, can play 6,7 or 9.

More of an organiser than Hampshire who played in the halves last season for Wigan 19's and is way too good for that level now. (Both Hampshire and Williams need higher level than 19's IMO)

I can't see Wigan letting him go due to Green possibly leaving and they then go with Smith, Powell, Hampshire and Williams.

Re: andre savelio : Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:30 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Centre isn't nailed on. Percival has shown promise when he has got on the park, but those appearances have been worryingly limited. Turner is ok, but hardly top drawer, and after that we have jones who is a second row filling in, sia who isn't a centre and wheeler who is never going to make it. Centre is definitely a weakness for saints.

Percival is 19, he shouldn't (and wasn't) over used last year, and should become more and more into contention this year. It's unfortunate his knock has taken a few weeks longer than expected ... But hardly a reason to write him off! The only British centre I would trade turner for is Watkins, and that will never happen - if he ever leaves Leeds it will be for the NRL. Dawson has shown a few moments of promise - and without wanting to reopen the josh jones debate, he still offers very good cover when required.

Who is feasible to bring in to improve on what we have? It's alright saying we want Jamie Lyon, but if he's there's no one of his quality to bring in, it's a bit of a mute point...

Re: andre savelio : Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:14 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Percival is 19, he shouldn't (and wasn't) over used last year, and should become more and more into contention this year. It's unfortunate his knock has taken a few weeks longer than expected ... But hardly a reason to write him off! The only British centre I would trade turner for is Watkins, and that will never happen - if he ever leaves Leeds it will be for the NRL. Dawson has shown a few moments of promise - and without wanting to reopen the josh jones debate, he still offers very good cover when required.

Who is feasible to bring in to improve on what we have? It's alright saying we want Jamie Lyon, but if he's there's no one of his quality to bring in, it's a bit of a mute point...

Brown showed excellent management of Percival last year. He needed to be taken out as he was starting to miss the odd tackle. Brown was correct in what he did.


Can't rush young lads, some can come in and play for next 10 years but others need to be handled and IMO Percival was falling slightly short due to him not being 100 % ready just at that time.