Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:49 am  

Judder Man wrote:

I think that part of his game needs addressing and its something that a boxer will learn very quickly. He probably also needs to build up his neck and shoulder muscles to reduce the effects of impact.
What we have to remember he is still a young kid, very green against the enforcer type of player, maybe some Saints players can offer him more protection that what he has at the moment, LMS as his minder perhaps.

The minder thing is pointless. He can't protect him from being hit late, only Gaz can do that.

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:41 am  

St pete wrote:

The minder thing is pointless. He can't protect him from being hit late, only Gaz can do that.

Not sure he can really protect himself from being hit late. What I mean is, if he's just passed the ball then he's facing away from any potential late tackler and so how can he defend himself? Surely that innate vulnerability is the very problem?

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:18 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Not sure he can really protect himself from being hit late. What I mean is, if he's just passed the ball then he's facing away from any potential late tackler and so how can he defend himself? Surely that innate vulnerability is the very problem?

I think most of it is down to lack of experience and he,s learning the hard way. Like St Pete mentioned he could learn to raise the arm on release of the ball or side step on instinct.
Its OK for the experience player they tend to know what danger they are in and have that split second to avoid or reduce the impact, Wheeler had a similar problem especially with the Wigoons.

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:45 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I think most of it is down to lack of experience and he,s learning the hard way. Like St Pete mentioned he could learn to raise the arm on release of the ball or side step on instinct.
Its OK for the experience player they tend to know what danger they are in and have that split second to avoid or reduce the impact, Wheeler had a similar problem especially with the Wigoons.

Exactly! But at 20yrs of age he should already by now raising that arm. After a few late tackles he should now have learned. It's either get that arm up it get knocked out.

I learned the hard way but mine was making a late tackle on Paul Deacon who raised his arm and dislocated my jaw. No pen or anything was given as refs think "how can little Paul deacon wipe him out"

From that day, I also raised that arm (elbow).

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:34 pm  

St pete wrote:

Exactly! But at 20yrs of age he should already by now raising that arm. After a few late tackles he should now have learned. It's either get that arm up it get knocked out.

I learned the hard way but mine was making a late tackle on Paul Deacon who raised his arm and dislocated my jaw. No pen or anything was given as refs think "how can little Paul deacon wipe him out"

From that day, I also raised that arm (elbow).

Bobbie Goulding on twitter has said that he should be raising his arm after passing.

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:43 pm  

Albion wrote:

Bobbie Goulding on twitter has said that he should be raising his arm after passing.

Great rugby brains think alike. That's what I've been saying. My old mate bobbie used to get that arm up.

Re: Catalans Match Thread - Saints 26 v 6 Catalans : Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:00 pm  

St pete wrote:

Great rugby brains think alike. That's what I've been saying. My old mate bobbie used to get that arm up.