Re: Royce Gone !! : Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:19 pm  

If Soliola could do a Ruben Wiki and complete his transition from centre to prop next year that would help us out a lot.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:27 pm  

Dux wrote:

If Soliola could do a Ruben Wiki and complete his transition from centre to prop next year that would help us out a lot.

But, as I've said, we've got 5 props who should be enough to compete with any other set in the league. The problem is we're not getting the best out of them.

They're making yards for us, which is admirable considering our one up playing approach, but we don't seem to be winning any quick plays and we don't get many offloads.

I reckon Soliola will end up a prop, though.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:30 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

But, as I've said, we've got 5 props who should be enough to compete with any other set in the league. The problem is we're not getting the best out of them.

They're making yards for us, which is admirable considering our one up playing approach, but we don't seem to be winning any quick plays and we don't get many offloads.

I reckon Soliola will end up a prop, though.

I think the problem is that we aren't moving off the ball at all. Because there are no dummy runners it's obvious who is going to hit the ball up in every play, which means it's easy and safe for our opposition to put numbers into every tackle. As a result we're getting a slow play the ball and a set of forwards who are knackered after 60 minutes.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:41 pm  

Dux wrote: I think the problem is that we aren't moving off the ball at all. Because there are no dummy runners it's obvious who is going to hit the ball up in every play, which means it's easy and safe for our opposition to put numbers into every tackle. As a result we're getting a slow play the ball and a set of forwards who are knackered after 60 minutes. In which case, the yards which the forwards are winning shouldn't be sniffed at, as they're getting brick walled whenever they get the ball. When we started the bradford game there was a little bit of extra running (i was looking out for it following my dissapointment at the Hull game), but it did not last and we ended up playing one up drives. I don't like using the stats page, but I think it can be quite useful when looking at props. Here's Boof vs Morley. He doesn't look too shabby on that form. Average metres per carry of over 7.5 Plenty of marker tackles shows he's working hard. Not many missed tackles or errors, but a penalty a game isn't great. Looking further into the stats, Tony P has only managed 2 offloads all season! His go forward yardage is ok, so he's carrying his ball, but that stat demonstrates how the Opposition are able to et multiple defenders around him to shut that sort of thing down.

Dux wrote: I think the problem is that we aren't moving off the ball at all. Because there are no dummy runners it's obvious who is going to hit the ball up in every play, which means it's easy and safe for our opposition to put numbers into every tackle. As a result we're getting a slow play the ball and a set of forwards who are knackered after 60 minutes. In which case, the yards which the forwards are winning shouldn't be sniffed at, as they're getting brick walled whenever they get the ball. When we started the bradford game there was a little bit of extra running (i was looking out for it following my dissapointment at the Hull game), but it did not last and we ended up playing one up drives. I don't like using the stats page, but I think it can be quite useful when looking at props. Here's Boof vs Morley. He doesn't look too shabby on that form. Average metres per carry of over 7.5 Plenty of marker tackles shows he's working hard. Not many missed tackles or errors, but a penalty a game isn't great. Looking further into the stats, Tony P has only managed 2 offloads all season! His go forward yardage is ok, so he's carrying his ball, but that stat demonstrates how the Opposition are able to et multiple defenders around him to shut that sort of thing down.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:39 pm  

Dux wrote:

If Soliola could do a Ruben Wiki and complete his transition from centre to prop next year that would help us out a lot.

I've said for a whole that sia will end up prop but I think it's a few years off yet and could offer much more if was used proper a little wider.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:56 am  

Stupid, short sighted decision by Saints board. You'll come to regret it when you get the uber talented young English coach that is Rich Agar from Wakey when they bin him off...lmfao
Seriously, all things considered I can't think of any logical reason to get of Simmons now. Sure you've lost some games, a pretty poor points haul so far but you'd have been there or thereabouts come the end of the season. You've been seriously unlucky (The Cats wonder try that shouldn't have been for one) and some players just switching off/underperforming (this happens in sport no matter how good a coach you are)
with the squad you had at your disposal this year it would have been a big ask to win silverware IMO but rebuilding and bringing on the youngsters so they make fewer and fewer mistakes was a priority for you this season. As others have said you are in transition after having had a huge amount of success with some mainstay players that are no longer there.
IF you lose the next 3 games then I think you'll be lucky to make the 8 personally

Re: Royce Gone !! : Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:28 am  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Stupid, short sighted decision by Saints board. You'll come to regret it when you get the uber talented young English coach that is Rich Agar from Wakey when they bin him off...lmfao
Seriously, all things considered I can't think of any logical reason to get of Simmons now. Sure you've lost some games, a pretty poor points haul so far but you'd have been there or thereabouts come the end of the season. You've been seriously unlucky (The Cats wonder try that shouldn't have been for one) and some players just switching off/underperforming (this happens in sport no matter how good a coach you are)
with the squad you had at your disposal this year it would have been a big ask to win silverware IMO but rebuilding and bringing on the youngsters so they make fewer and fewer mistakes was a priority for you this season. As others have said you are in transition after having had a huge amount of success with some mainstay players that are no longer there.
IF you lose the next 3 games then I think you'll be lucky to make the 8 personally

If we lose the next 3 games we can still easily make the 8.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:01 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I reckon Soliola will end up a prop, though.

It's a cert. I'd give him a new contract with the intention of moving him there next year.

Re: Royce Gone !! : Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:04 am  

Dux wrote:

I think the problem is that we aren't moving off the ball at all. Because there are no dummy runners it's obvious who is going to hit the ball up in every play, which means it's easy and safe for our opposition to put numbers into every tackle. As a result we're getting a slow play the ball and a set of forwards who are knackered after 60 minutes.

I'm glad others can see it too. All I hear around me at the ground are morons who clearly dont understand Rugby screaming for us to 'throw it wide' which we do and go nowhere because of the lack of options to make a defence work.