Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:44 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

:lol:

I don't know if Wish FM has a "listen again" function, but he did say it. We were surprised when we heard his comment.

If anyone was listening to the Wish FM commentary they will confirm it.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:53 pm  

wertyuio wrote:

Wello is not the player he was, but the number of missed catches in his CAREER can be counted on two hands. His pace was never lightning but he is usually in right place and on the occasions we do make a break, he is guaranteed to be in support.....something not always done by younger more dynamic, pacy players.

His career stats mean nothing in this context, it's the here and now that matters. The occasions of him being in the right place at the right time are starting to diminish noticeably. And when was the last time he beat a man returning the ball? He used to consistently beat the first man, now it's a surprise when he does.

He does have a wealth of experience that can be passed on, had we not had to replace a raft of senior players over the last two years I'd be inclined to get rid now.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:28 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

His career stats mean nothing in this context, it's the here and now that matters. The occasions of him being in the right place at the right time are starting to diminish noticeably. And when was the last time he beat a man returning the ball? He used to consistently beat the first man, now it's a surprise when he does.

He does have a wealth of experience that can be passed on, had we not had to replace a raft of senior players over the last two years I'd be inclined to get rid now.

Carrer stats do matter....he is beaten to a high kick rarely and for that to result in a try rarely still. Had he have done that in 2004 (where it would have been equally as rare perhaps), would that have signalled his departure?

Agree that he is doesn't do the good things as much as he used to (who does) but not sure I agree that these are diminishing noticeably or significantly. Nor do I subscribe to statements likes "he used to consistently beat the first man now its a surprise". He did do it more frequently than now but not sure that its a considerable reduction. Also think game has changed considerably in the last ten years to contribute to this (not meant as an excuse). He is gettin older but still believe he brings plenty as well as instilling confidence in rest of team.

Without getting into the merits of individual players, would rather still have Wellens as fullback that someone like Tomkins, despite Tomkins's attacking prowess.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:03 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I don't know if Wish FM has a "listen again" function, but he did say it. We were surprised when we heard his comment.

If anyone was listening to the Wish FM commentary they will confirm it.

Compared the Millward era I'd agree, compared to the Potter 5 drives and a poor kick era I think Leon needs to watch a few of last years video nasties (assuming he can stay awake). Potter was the worst time watching Saints for me (and technically I've seen far far worse Saints teams play) and the only time I can ever remember being bored.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:10 pm  

wertyuio wrote:

Carrer stats do matter....he is beaten to a high kick rarely and for that to result in a try rarely still. Had he have done that in 2004 (where it would have been equally as rare perhaps), would that have signalled his departure?

No it wouldn't, but it didn't as often and that is the point.

Agree that he is doesn't do the good things as much as he used to (who does) but not sure I agree that these are diminishing noticeably or significantly. Nor do I subscribe to statements likes "he used to consistently beat the first man now its a surprise". He did do it more frequently than now but not sure that its a considerable reduction. Also think game has changed considerably in the last ten years to contribute to this (not meant as an excuse). He is gettin older but still believe he brings plenty as well as instilling confidence in rest of team.

The game hasn't changed that much in regard to kick returns, he does bring plenty that's why he's still there, but there comes a point in every career when the cons start to outweigh the pros and Wellens is getting past tipping point for me.

Without getting into the merits of individual players, would rather still have Wellens as fullback that someone like Tomkins, despite Tomkins's attacking prowess.

We'd be top of the league with Tomkins at fullback IMO. He contributes to the points scored column far, far more than he does the points against.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:13 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Compared the Millward era I'd agree, .

Except in the Millward era (a) we had better players, and (b) we had more experienced players. It's easy to coach a team full of talent like ours was back then. It's a tougher job coaching what we have now, especially given the high number of young players we have had to field this season.

But under Simmons we can, once again, score from deep. We can pass to our edges. When we have managed a couple of weeks without half a dozen players limping off injured, we have actually had pace and accuracy in our passing. We look fit, trim and determined, even when we play poorly.

Give me what we have now to what we had under Potter any day of the week. Assuming Leon actually said what the old troll is saying he said (and I am skeptical), if he doesn't like it then I won't cry if he goes.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:17 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

We'd be top of the league with Tomkins at fullback IMO. He contributes to the points scored column far, far more than he does the points against.

His defense is massively underrated. He came up with two or three try saving tackles against Exiles at the weekend.

Wello for us just get there anymore. How many tries do you see where he's arriving at the scene just as the try scorer is getting up to celebrate? Love the guy but it makes sense to think about the future.

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:50 am  

what about tom makinson to fullback?

Re: Priority requirement - A proper fullback : Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:34 am  

Saddened! wrote:

How many tries do you see where he's arriving at the scene just as the try scorer is getting up to celebrate? Love the guy but it makes sense to think about the future.

All the ones he's had a hand in creating. And he's scored a few himself!