Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:41 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

At the end of the day - if you're going to sign for a union club mid way through a league season, you're going to have to come out fighting in your next few appearances to prove your heart is still in it.

It would be very easy to prove too. Take the ball up more than you usually would. Make consecutive tackles in a set. Clap the crowd (regardless of what you're hearing). Just generally put in as much effort as you can - RL fans recognise effort.

What you can't do is the bare minimum, run off the pitch without acknowledging the fans (or worse make gestures) and expect everybody to clap you off the pitch and wish you well. He's brought a very large proportion of the stick on himself and I can't say I feel too sorry for him.

Being young is no excuse, we have other young players who do and always have handled themselves better than Kyle, even before his signing for Bath.

A bit of humility and effort and he could have made it through the season, made a contribution, and left with mostly well wishes. Unfortunately, he appears too self involved to appreciate how he should behave in the circumstances.

That pretty much sums up my opinion of the matter.

Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:46 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

At the end of the day - if you're going to sign for a union club mid way through a league season, you're going to have to come out fighting in your next few appearances to prove your heart is still in it.

It would be very easy to prove too. Take the ball up more than you usually would. Make consecutive tackles in a set. Clap the crowd (regardless of what you're hearing). Just generally put in as much effort as you can - RL fans recognise effort.

What you can't do is the bare minimum, run off the pitch without acknowledging the fans (or worse make gestures) and expect everybody to clap you off the pitch and wish you well. He's brought a very large proportion of the stick on himself and I can't say I feel too sorry for him.

Being young is no excuse, we have other young players who do and always have handled themselves better than Kyle, even before his signing for Bath.

A bit of humility and effort and he could have made it through the season, made a contribution, and left with mostly well wishes. Unfortunately, he appears too self involved to appreciate how he should behave in the circumstances.

Spot on.

Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:48 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

At the end of the day - if you're going to sign for a union club mid way through a league season, you're going to have to come out fighting in your next few appearances to prove your heart is still in it.

It would be very easy to prove too. Take the ball up more than you usually would. Make consecutive tackles in a set. Clap the crowd (regardless of what you're hearing). Just generally put in as much effort as you can - RL fans recognise effort.

What you can't do is the bare minimum, run off the pitch without acknowledging the fans (or worse make gestures) and expect everybody to clap you off the pitch and wish you well. He's brought a very large proportion of the stick on himself and I can't say I feel too sorry for him.

Being young is no excuse, we have other young players who do and always have handled themselves better than Kyle, even before his signing for Bath.

A bit of humility and effort and he could have made it through the season, made a contribution, and left with mostly well wishes. Unfortunately, he appears too self involved to appreciate how he should behave in the circumstances.

I agree with all of that, bar the leaving with mostly well wishes, have you seen the comments on the clubs official facebook page? A lot of our fans appear to be knuckle dragging idiots.

I also think that the fact he has wanted to go, rather than us binning him, has had an impact on the reaction of fans to him.

Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:49 pm  

FearTheVee has got it spot on

I also think having him around the club is having an affect on the other players. Clearly if he's not playing well in a pivotal role then the knock on effect is on the other players who rely on him once the forwards have done their work

Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:51 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

I agree with all of that, bar the leaving with mostly well wishes, have you seen the comments on the clubs official facebook page? A lot of our fans appear to be knuckle dragging idiots.

I also think that the fact he has wanted to go, rather than us binning him, has had an impact on the reaction of fans to him.

I think thats just a case of a vocal minority

Re: Kyle-Is he really a Saint or sinner?? : Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Paul Wellens has been absolutely horrendous this year, he isn't being booed by anyone other than me currently.

You obviously don't sit near me.

I think that Kyle has not done a great deal wrong*. If Leon had been playing this year then Kyle would have looked a lot better than he has. People are expecting him to suddenly become the pivot player for the team, which he never has been.

OK he has avoided getting tackled this year, but he did the same at the end of last year. He is simply trying to avoid injury while he getting back into playing first team rugby. If he gets squashed again the moronic "Eastmond Drogba" comments would be on here again.

On the other hand I think there is little point in him staying as we will just have to find a new half back combination next year. This will just make our transitional period a year longer. Better to get shut now and see what Gary, Jonny and Lee can do.

* Edit...on the field